If every non-American musician cried out on stage against everything that the US government has done against civil rights, freedom, democracy, etc, Zorn's statements in Germany would be justified. I think it's a bit of a simplistic attitude, to say the least, to raise your fist against Nazi Germany 50 years later to an audience that probably was a small spermatozoid swimming peacefully back then, or even less than that. Did he say anything when he presented Masada in Israel against Ariel Sharon's massacres? Did he say anything in Sevilla about the way the Spanish kingdom treated Arabs & Jews 500 hundred years ago? Or about terrorism in Spain? (Because we've suffered a bit of that for over 30 years and nobody moved a finger) Come on. Efrén del Valle n.p: V.V.A.A "Hammer: The Studio that Dripped Blood" --- Stefania Errore <s_errore@hotmail.com> escribió:
why not ? 50 year is not 500 years. provoking... shaking ... make people think... know that we still have to face with responsabilities (as "nations" or people or simply citizens). And there are still attempts to review, deny "history" so ... it is still a lot discussion.
But... it would be interesting to know Zorn's position with regard to the situation in Israel.... "today" ?
ciao, stefania p.s. sorry my previous message was too passionate...
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> To: s_errore@hotmail.com, ubaykara@ykb.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: Turkey?? and the whole world... Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:37:38 +0000
Just to clarify:
I think that what happend in Germany fifty years ago...
That's obvious. I don't mind Zorn making harsh comments at nazis, but I don't like him making them at Germans *today*, for something other people did more than 50 years ago.
From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney@hotmail.com> To: ubaykara@ykb.com, zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Turkey? Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:21:57 +0000
First of all, anti-semitism is not a big issue here except for a few radical islamists about whom nobody cares.
That's what I figured, but also the nazis in Germany was more than fifty years ago and Zorn still says pretty rude things in that direction (like in the "Sabbath In Paradise" movie, and also at concerts), so you never know.
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