with all the drum talk, I thought I'd mention some great & tasteful drummers (I left out Baron coz we all know he's god + other jazz/Zorn drummers... which I'm sure most know) Some great drummers, who (maybe) use double-kick: * Tatsuya Yoshida (Ruins) - I'm not sure if he uses double kick, but he is an amazing drummer! * Richard Hoak (Brutal Truth) - Rich did do "standard metal-double-kick" things, but what I loved was his blast beats, especially on "Need To Control", they were like psycho jazz fills - (I'm no drummer so it's hard to explain...) instead of whacking the snare heaps & hard (16ths), he'd do something like lots of triplet-like things or something combined with cymbal & hi-hat rudiments, a fast version of what Elvin Jones or some jazz great would.... (??? I don't know how to explain it, but I could be totally wrong, but he just stands out to me from other metal drummers) * Chris Penne (The Dillinger Escape Plan) - Now here's a 'metal' drummer who plays tasteful & creative things, AWESOME! (but he could use a single...??) * Tony Williams - did he use double kick in 'Arcana'? * Danny Heifetz (Mr Bungle, SC3) - he doesn't use double kick, but maybe it in the old days. Great drummer. * Terry Bozzio - he can be full-on, but he's one of the most creative drummers I can think of (having toms tuned a semi-tone apart & a number of closely tuned cymbals) - being melodic. * Tomas Haake (Meshuggah) - Now he doesn't play standard metal double kick! AWESOME that'll do.....