I think Self, Enon, definitely Bjork, A Camp, Soul Coughing, and Grand Buffet are/were doing innovative things with pop. I don't think Outkast is nearly as inovative as people give them credit for. I think they are only innovative to the uncultured hip hop fans that they won over by doing somewhat generic southern hip hop so well when they started. Really, they're not doing anything brand new with music per se, they're just morphing into P-funk at an alarming rate, baffling and shaming their goldchained bass-pushing counterparts. There are far more innovative producers in Hip Hop. But one must remember, if you start doing anything really innovative with hip hop, than it can no longer be called "hip hop." Gavin Perfect Sound Forever wrote:
Good discussion here.
I also wonder who's really doing innovative work in the pop world today. Radiohead and Outkast (Bjork too I suppose) definitely fit the bill but there should be more, shouldn't there? In the last 5-10 years, it seemed like it was mostly hip hop producers like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Prince Paul and RZA who fit this bill.
Back in the day, groups like the Beatles and the Beach Boys had some leeway to do this because they already topped the charts and had huge name recognition. They didn't start with Revolver or Pet Sounds but they were able to get there thanks in large part to the previous success that they enjoyed.
Best, Jason
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