I forgot "Panty Christ" with Otomo, Ostertag, & Justin Bond. a REALLY freaky & fukked-up CD!!!! lots of samples thanks to Ostertag. http://detritus.net/ostertag/pantychristcd.html -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jim Flannery Sent: Tuesday, 13 January 2004 7:11 PM To: zorn-list@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: sampling in avant garde and pop music Monday, January 12, 2004, 12:23:31 PM, one spoke: am> there are any musicians/composers that stand out as true sampling am> pioneers in Dub, Hip Hop, Pop, and avant garde music. i can think am> of plenty of people Nobody's really talking much about avant-garde aside from Oswald, some things you might want to look at: Richard Maxfield, _Bacchanale_ mixes samples from jazz, korean music, etc. with live performance. From 1963, on New World Records. Terry Riley's "The Gift" featured live sampling of Chet Baker's group, 1961? on Organ of Corti. John Cage, _Europeras_ 3, 4 and 5 use wind-up victrolas with 78s at various points in the performance; #5 also includes a tape with microscopic samples of many, many operas; on Mode. Steve Reich's sound track for the short film "O Dem Watermelons" (film by Robert Nelson for the SF Mime Troupe's _Minstrel Show_) is basically a loop of one line from a Stephen Foster song (1967). You'd need to show the film for this one (if you show it to a class, you'd best read up on what _The Minstrel Show_ was, so you can contextualize the massive political incorrectness ;^>); I think it's out of distribution but your school might own a print. Mind you, if I were going to rent a film, Martin Arnold's _passage a l'act_ is more like the state of the art. Mother Mallard made a drone out of an old Shirley Bassey record on "Music" (1972); on Cuneiform. Francisco Lopez' _Untitled #104_, a mash-up of hundreds of samples from black metal records; 2000, on Alien 8. David Schafer's _x10R_, which features long samples of Muzak, layered a dozen or so deep (one of the more physically nauseating records I own); 2002, on Transparency. I assume you're talking about *musical* samples and not *text* or we'd have to talk about thousands of industrial records. Not to forget that squidge of _Funhouse_ that pops like a zit in the middle of side one of Sonic Youth's _Bad Moon Rising_, of course. -- Jim Flannery newgrange@newgrangemedia.com http://www.newgrangemedia.com/pii np: Joseph Dorfman, _The Stones of Jerusalem_ nr: Frank Stanford, _The Battlefield Where the Moon Says I Love You_ _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list