I throw Beck and Jim O'Rourke in for consideration. Beck in particular, as he has made no two albums that sound the same--or like any one else for that matter. I don't see the Dylan connection, sorry Efrén. Neither musician--nor the Strokes, White Stripes, or any of the other critics' darling of the month--will save rock from the current morasses. The best we can hope is that the best of the worst will make music that is enjoyable. Rock artists certainly have to earn their dues, though an artist can unleash something like Freak Out! on the world as a debut. Zach -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Perfect Sound Forever Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 11:04 AM To: zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Pop innovators (was The Experimental Side of Burt Bacharach) Good discussion here. I also wonder who's really doing innovative work in the pop world today. Radiohead and Outkast (Bjork too I suppose) definitely fit the bill but there should be more, shouldn't there? In the last 5-10 years, it seemed like it was mostly hip hop producers like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Prince Paul and RZA who fit this bill. Back in the day, groups like the Beatles and the Beach Boys had some leeway to do this because they already topped the charts and had huge name recognition. They didn't start with Revolver or Pet Sounds but they were able to get there thanks in large part to the previous success that they enjoyed. Best, Jason _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list