I don't think you can really call Vandermark "insipid", I'd save that epithet for someone like Everette Harp or that bunch. While he is not an 'innovator" per se, I don't think he's ever claimed to be. I do know that he's open minded and he re-ignited the whole Chicago new scene by himself pretty much. So he gets a huge grant, he worked hard for it. I don't think he's coasting yet, either. As for examples to play in class of Zorn other than Naked City, try "Cat O' Nine Tails" or "Forbidden Fruit". Kronos Quartet has recorded both pieces. Craig L. _________________________________________________________________ Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963