on the Jim Thompson tip:

'The Killer Inside Me', 'Savage Night' and 'The Getaway'.

I ain't read the Grifters so I can't say based on that whether you might dig these. But they all left a pretty deep impression on me.

Killer Inside left me feeling pretty schizzed out for a couple of days afterward. Like hyper-conscious of the differences between what is thought and what is spoken aloud.

The Getaway is a pretty intense crime thriller with one scene of claustrophobia that had me squirming in my chair.

Savage Night is almost surreal. Definitely strange. Deals a little bit in identity loss and fabrication.

>From: skip heller

>To: ,

>Subject: Re: film noir - spillane - any favorites

>Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:58:28 -0800

>David Goodis -- Black friday actually, I love ALL of Goodis)

>James cain -- Mildred Pierce (movie's great, but the book is way darker)

>James Cain -- Serenade (the movie sucks, book's great)

>Chandler -- The Long Goodbye

>William P McGivern -- The Big Heat

>Harry Whittington -- Touch of Evil (written under the nom de plume Whit

>Masterson)

>James Ellroy's stuff is unformly good, often brilliant.

>Fav movies of the type:

>THE KILLING (Kubrick's first)

>DOUBLE INDEMNITY

>GUN CRAZY

>THE STRANGER (Orson Welles -- flawed, but incredible in some ways)

>TOUCH OF EVIL

>EXPERIMENT IN TERROR

>As for Spillane, we're not the type of audience for whom he wrote. but he

>was really effective among the people he sought to reach. And the orig

>Signet paperback cover of ONE LONEY NIGHT is great art. ersonally, I never

>really enjoyed Thompson much. he always seemed dry to me. But I maybe have

>yet to find the right book for him. If anyone has any ideas... And I did

>read THE GRIFTERS

>Interesting -- although Caroll John Daly was the first guy to write in what

>we think of as the hardboiled style, pretty much everyone ever read on the

>subject dismissed him -- except Spillane. Chandler gace it up to Hammett

>and Erle Stanley Gardner.

>(The only book about Goodis is in French, which I don't speak, and there's a

>really good bio of Cornell Woolrich, FIRST YOU DREAM, THEN YOU DIE, which is

>truly disturbing.)

>skip h

>NP Herbie Hancock -- Complete Blue Note (disc 5)

>NR Louis Armstrong: An Extravagant Life by Laurence Bergreen

>on 12/18/03 3:57 PM, ericksna@umich.edu at ericksna@umich.edu wrote:

> > I enjoyed the brief conversations sparked by the comments on guilty pleasures,

> > and was a little sad that they tapered off right around the time that the

> > subject got around to film noir and the hard boiled detective genre. Do we

> > have any fans following these areas? Personally I can appreciate Micky

> > Spillane for his contributions to the genre, but have always felt that he was

> > never able to live up to Chandler, Hammett(red harvest is my personal

> > favorite), or even Jim Thompson as a writer. Anyone have any favorite film

> > noir or detective films/books? I recently watched Alphaville and the DVD of

> > Knife in the Water, and think I might have to delve into one of my favorite

> > genres again over the holidays.

> > nathan

> >

> > n.p. Schlippenbach - the living music

> > n.r. the grotesque - patrick mcGrath (recently saw Spider with Ralph Fiennes

> > -thought it wasn't half bad)

> >

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