If Wayne & Herbie endure -- and they likely will -- it will probably be more as composers than as players. Just as Duke Ellington has come to be regarded for proactical purposes. There was a time when one would have said -- with surity -- the same things of the Duke Ellington bands that you said of Miles' great quintets. And Bubber Miley and Barney Bigard were considered revolutionary soloists playing revolutionary music on records that outsold anything the 60s Miles quintet ever released. But I don't know that many people who can tell when they're hearing Bigard vs, say, Jimmy Hamilton, which is like the difference between Wardell gray and Wayne Shorter. Jazz, unfortunately, has a tendancy to treat history as so many obsolete licks. Few people these days are all that aware of Coleman Hawkins, Lester Young, or Fatha Hines, but what they did was as brave at the time as anything Don Cherry ever did. Of course, even Cherry's stuff has become less known to the successive generations of trumpet players. Granted, there are isolated rediscoveries, but they're often based on something other than merit, as if anybody can really quantify merit in art. sh on 12/19/02 9:57 AM, Zachary Steiner at zsteiner@butler.edu wrote:
Probably that question would be dicier if it was asked about the members of the 1960s Miles Davis Quintet, whose members will very likely be largely buried by history.
The first or second? The first will be remembered for Coltrane, Adderly, and Evans, IMHO. The second worked was a definite Gestalt group, but the names of Shorter and Hancock may endure. There is also the issue of the quartet dissolving into larger groups at the end of its life. Only time will tell on this matter, but jazz fans have a "strange" habit of knowing every sideman on a cut--magnified to ridiculous proportions by certain DJs.
Zach
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