if making 'illicit' reproductions lies somewhere on the moral low ground, so does distributing culture for profit. that's if we have to judge things in absolute moral terms. the artist must respect the listener's 'judgment', just as the listener respects the artist's craft. we're all swimming in the same bullshit. we all have our rationalizations for what we do. when I have my band's first legit CD pressed next year (if I can afford it), I'll have to put a price tag on it. from one point of view, it's a necessary evil in the capital-dominated plane of reality, from another it will never cost as much as it's worth (regardless of the opinion of reviewers or those whose tastes run askance, whose ranks will no doubt be voluminous). Stockhausen chooses to recognize that value by somewhat prohibitively pricing his CDs. Matthew Barney makes his films extremely difficult to obtain. being of a more humble disposition, I'll take a gamble on the opposite tack. the point is that there's give and take in the relationship that goes beyond strict numerical exchange. "property is theft." http://dhm.best.vwh.net/archives/proudhon-property-is-theft.html --motecraw's belated two-and-a-half cents, for what they're worth. I been outtatown and catchin up. had to make sure I wasn't being too redundant. and damnation, I didn't know there was a MORE "complete" Webern out there. dad blast it. can somebody burn me the 3 discs of 'new' material? I'll trade you all the Cuneiform and Eskelin stuff I have. (just kidding. jeez.) Ellery, when are you bringing the Jazz Trash folks back to North Carolina? I for one would pay to see you again. Good culture is what my spendin money is for, regardless of how much free junk I get. np: flaming lips - in a priest driven ambulance _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail