since we are talking about drummers...has anybody here heard of the band (SIC) from minnesota? they broke up over 5 years ago or so, but they were an extremely complex death metal/grindcore and had one of my very favorite drummers Nick Miller. they were like a death metal version of naked city (i say that because of how quickly things changed from measure to measure) and were tight as uh....well...a drum. (pun intended). Nick went on to join Kataklysm for a while, but he definately toned down his playing to suit them. (SIC) only put out one five song EP but it is amazing. Nick also played on the first Anal Blast demo, but again nothing as intense as (SIC). I saw them live about 5 times back when the thirsty whale was still open in chicago and i couldn't believe what i was seeing. any drummer should try to find that EP. I've heard a zillion death metal drummers and nobody even scratches the surface of what he was doing. except of course for joey baron, but hey that goes without saying here i think. my two cents on drummers. -mike