Okay, I've been a silent observer of the list for a while, but I've got to defend some of these albums you're bashing, not for the people who've heard them and dislike them (because I can understand why) but for those who haven't heard them and might miss out. Some of my favorite albums of the Ambient Noise genre include Weird Little Boy & Pranzo Oltranzista. These albums aren't self-indulgent, atleast not in the way you'd think. They are an entirely different level of creative sound creation. These musicians are vacationing from the constrictions of melody and structure and expressing musical inspiration in a rudimentary and fundamental way. Creating 'sound' instead of music, which I think is highly underrated in today's music. This is the kind of music that doesn't just pull you along with catchy riffs or by manipulating your emotions, it works by painting images that stir the curiosity and confuse your eardrums. If you are one of the ones who like either of these albums I also recommend the albums by Death Ambient (on Tzadik) Naked City's Absinthe and the albums of Tribes Of Neurot. Okay. Jerm _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/