To put aside our differences in taste for the moment, I'd like to address what I see to be the root of this discussion on ambient noise cd's. I think the real issue is that these albums would never have been produced or distributed had the people involved not only been famous, but owners of their own record labels. I agree that this is not the best noise ambient can be, but I fear most of the best noise music never makes it past the 4-track, or home computer. And I agree that the fact that (with the case of Weird Little Boy and Hemophiliac, specifically) these albums cost much more than they should. I can't even think of one ambient noise album that doesn't have members who've already produced something more listenable. Maybe I'm wrong. If anybody knows any record labels who distribute these kinds of things by unknowns, I'd like to know. I'm working on a noise project right now and have no hopes of ever getting it anywhere but to the few people involved. I think this is truly the problem with this music, not the fact that some like them and some don't. Jerm _________________________________________________________________ Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/