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Re: SY:murraystreet
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>Dizzy Gillespie did his thing his whole life, why should it be different >for Evan Parker or Mick Jagger? Can't we just say Brotzmann is a great >free-jazz stylist and his style is popular? Hm, you make it sound like it's almost okay to start making boring crap after a while.. :-) On the topix of Brotmann, I personally think he is living 90% of his reputation and I would not feel very sad if he stopped making records. Not that all his stuff is bad, but when I listen to "Nipples" for example, I don't have any strong desire to rush out and by "Noise Of Wings". I think some of the old improv guys can still surprise, like Derek Bailey. He is one of the musicians I have must fun following these days. And Han Bennink. And my favorite Evan Parker CD is the one with Jah Wobble, which is certainly *very* different from anything else he has done. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones (wa SY:murraystreet)
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>(who thinks ornette colemen would issue more of a challenge to his audience >playing on a diana krall record than he would by playing with dave douglas) Well, depends, doesn't it. What if that Dave Douglas album was with Cibo Matto? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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live shows rec. (NZC)
by Ricardo Campillo 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Hi, this month in Barcelona there are a few probably interesting live shows at the FundaciÃ³ MirÃ³ , I'll go to see Aki takase with Rudi mahall, and Peter Kowald, but I don't know anything about other two shows: Burkhard Stangl with Christof Kuzman , and John Butcher with John Edwards. Someone recommends any of this two shows? Thanks in advance. Regards for everyb. NP:Marc Ribot -Rootless Cosmopolitans. _______________________________________________________________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El Ãºnico lugar de Internet con vÃdeos de los 64 partidos. Â¡ApÃºntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/

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Re: SY:murraystreet
by Kurt Gottschalk 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

And I prefer my > >> musicians be people whose music I like rather than people whose music I >used > >> to like but whose efforts I respect (Bill frisell, I'm talking to YOU). what do you think of the new one, 'the willies'? my fave in a while. > >> Also, I think calling people "Gods" is silly. I have friends who are skip, you have friends who are gods? _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: SY:murraystreet
by Emmanouil Papagiannakis 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

I think the new SY record is pretty good. It is indeed rather song-based but still the SY sound is strongly present, and there is a decent amount of noise also. Especially "Karen revisited" is very very good. For starting on their discography, I would consider going back chronologically a good approach. However, it would take some time for one to get to SISTER and EVOL and that is a pitty! Therefore maybe starting from the new album, NYC ghosts and flowers and then move back to SISTER and EVOL is a good idea! Then there will be time to go through the rest. Not to forget the essential SYR series... Actually I had the chance to see them live last night. Last year I thought was the best of their shows that I had seen, so I was really looking forward to the new appearence. However, it didn't quite live up to my expectations. The set included a great deal of Murray street, which was quite fine with me, but they didnt really take off. Unfortunately, even though MS has been out 2 weeks already, the public had not done its homework. Therefore it remained rather cool and only woke up at the encores... Actually if I was SY I wouldnt come out on stage for an encore. It was strange to see Kim Gordon, a 35+ lady, jumping and dancing and all the kids underneath looking calmly at her... manolis

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Brotzmann/over-analyzing
by William York 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>You think Brotzman is going to do anything without an in-depth > >explanation? Huh? This is a weird accusation (espeically to level at a guy who has albums called 'Nothing to Say', 'No Nothing', etc., heh heh). Sure, there is over-analyzation in a lot of avant-garde music, but Brotzmann is one of the least analytical, least B.S.-spouting musicians I can think of. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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cecil on autopilot
by Kurt Gottschalk 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

somebody's suggestion of taylor working like monk, refining and rerefining already established material, is a good one. i've alternately naysayed and been wowed by cecil for years. after seeing 2 of 4 sets by his 24-piece band at the knit last week, i'm about as wowed as i've ever been by him. the first night was a revelation. i have a fair understanding of his language (i can't speak it, but i understand it when spoken, let's say), but to hear a huge (in number and sound) band *all* converse in it was remarkable. (and i'm not referring to his vocalizing, i mean his playing). any section you chose to listen to at any time was playing a part of the whole and something distinctly cecil. (i didn't already post about this, did i?) it was exciting, and it made me feel like i'll never fully understand his music, and if someone wrote a book about his technique, i wouldn't understand the book. after the concert, i was saying to people (most of whom *didn't* like it) that saying cecil always does the same thing is like saying "yeah, i've read einstein - he's that guy that's always writing the smart stuff." there really is more there than can be absorbed, especially live, which is pretty impressive. it's sort of a disservice. the introduction, repitition and evolution of themes in composed orchestral music no doubt stems from tradition, but also serves to help the listener understand where they'll be in 45 minutes or so. it makes it more pleasurable. cecil doesn't have to write stuff that's easier to get, but if he helped the audience along a little, it might help us out. but that in no way means there's no there there. after about 75 minutes (of a single, 2 hour piece) the musicians all returned to the head. without a cue and pretty tightly. they knew what they were doing, and what they were supposed to do. and audience be damned, it pretty much worked. kg np: some new age chanty crap playing at this cafe on e. 5th, and some guy on the sidewalk playing guitar. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones
by Dan Given 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Re: Comment from: > skip h > (who thinks ornette colemen would issue more of a challenge to his audience > playing on a diana krall record than he would by playing with dave douglas) Coleman with Krall would probably also challenge Krall's listeners more than Douglas would.

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RE: SY:murraystreet
by ahorton 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>> Why do some people (not Patrice, obviously) think that an artist continuing to >> produce art somehow changes (or tarnishes even?) their previous work? Neil >> Young made a bunch of very different albums in the 80s, many of which didn't >> work so well, but that doesn't make 'Everyone Knows This is Nowhere' any less >> good. I don't think that it tarnishes their previous work, but it definitely colors our perceptions of their work. I can't listen to Leonard Cohen's "songs of love and hate" now without thinking of him doing his Barry White thing over Porno-Funk grooves and song titles like "Boogie Street." andrew

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Almost famous...
by Steve Smith 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

I hope Rob Young won't go Casey Kasem on me for sharing the following, from the July issue of The Wire (Keiji Haino cover), page 81, "Go To:" column, which this month addresses e-mail lists: "Though sporting his name, the Zorn List does not solely exist around the exploits of John Z. Rather, this is a celebration of the downtown experimental music scene, Tzadik label, and associated matters -- of late, the Victoriaville Festival, Zorn / Arto Lindsay collaborations, and Andrew Hill's big band have been discussed and dissected. Easily one of the most intelligent music communities online, even if the occasional flare-up resorts to petty psycho-squabbles that would be best left in the schoolyard." Nice plug... but hey, Rob, the new Shakira CD is waaaaayyy better than 'Murray Street'! Nyah, nyah, nyah! ;-) Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com P.S. While the June issue (Kid 606 cover) is still on stands, don't miss a tremendous David Toop review of Skip Heller's wonderful new retrospective 'Career Suicide 1994-2001' (Dionysus), an aural depiction of California's most wonderful corner bar, where Elvis Presley trades riffs with Flaco Jimenez while Hank Williams shares a round with Spike Jones and Thelonious Monk...

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