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RE: sampling in avant garde and pop music
by ahorton 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

>what musician or composer do you feel really pushed the boundaries of what >sampling can be for their genre? I don't think you're really going to find anything for the dub genre, because dub wasn't about sampling as much as it was using a certain set of source material (multitrack recordings of reggae songs) and manipulating it into a new work (the "dub" version). Dub can be seen as the birth of the remix, but it really doesn't have much to do with sampling. As for hip hop and pop music , I suggest sticking with the Dust Brothers, the studio guys behind the Beastie Boys' "Paul's Boutique" and later Beck's "Odelay." Whereas most hip hop producers, including the bomb squad, stuck to a rather small palette of funk and rare groove for their source material, the Dust Brothers sampled EVERYTHING under the sun. You've got songs produced by them that throw sitar and tabla jams over electro beats, and scratch in bossa nova vocal stabs and parts of TV show jingles. They've also demonstrated the ability to cross genres, producing the Beasties, Beck, and hell, even Hanson, all while bringing that insanely diverse sampling ethos. This isn't to downgrade great hip hop producers that just stuck to the funky basics for their sampling canon, but you didn't exactly see the Bomb Squad crossing genres or straying far from their funk collection. The Dust Brothers just seem to put absolutely ridiculous combinations of sounds and styles together and make them work- which is really what sampling is about. Prince Paul is another good example of a producer who samples indiscriminately from all genres and pop culture sources, but his body of work never strayed from straight hip hop. andrew

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break beat recs?
by kevin fellezs 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Thought I'd ask you knowledgeable folks: any break beat recs? Anyone want to attempt a definition? TIA, Kevin

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"Voices in the Wilderness" and "Love, Madness, and Mysticism"
by mod bohemian 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi, My most recent Zorn acquisitions are "Trembling Before G-d," and "Invitation to a Suicide." I bought the latter because I kept hearing the mention of the CD over and over from several posts on this forum. I was not disappointed! It's fabulous, and I've listened to it no less than 50 times in the past two weeks, I think. The bad news for my wallet is that my hunger for Zorn is growing. I've heard snippets of "Unknown Masada" on Barnes and Noble and feel that I must have it. However, I'm having a hard time deciding on one more CD to get. "Voices in the Wilderness" and "Love, Madness, and Mysticism" sound interesting from the reviews that I've read. However, I've heard none of the music, and I'm hesitant to buy it without hearing any of it at all. Neither Barnes and Noble nor Amazon seems to have any samples. Does anyone know where I might be able to hear some of it on the web? Also, does anyone have any recommendations of music that is somewhat in the same vein as Invitation to a Suicide, and Unknown Masada? Thanks, Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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RE: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations
by Arthur Gadney 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

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marc ribot/harry shearer
by Sean Westergaard 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

hey folks, i just stumbled across marc ribot's guitar presence on a harry shearer (national lampoon, snl, simpsons) album called 'it must have been something i said' anyone heard this? is it funny? is it music? syd straw, curtis fowlkes and kevin salem also appear. just wondering, sean

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Night and Day
by Ben Axelrad 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi, Has anyone heard the 6CD Night and Day (Alexander von Schlippenback, Sven-Ake Johansson, Rudiger Carl, Jay Oliver) box set, "Night and Day plays them all"? http://www.shef.ac.uk/misc/rec/ps/efi/ehome.html It sounds interesting but 6 discs sound like overkill. And there's no mention of Lol Coxhill or S-A Johansson providing vocals.... I was really suprised that no one mentioned the Hudson Riv disc (Grob) on their best of lists. It's hilarious and actually quite touching. Thanks, Ben _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations / Naked Lunch DVD
by Ben Axelrad 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

How could I forget Last Exit! Brotzmann and Sharrock.... Ben >From: "Stuart Boyer" <BOYERST(a)kellyservices.com> >To: Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> >CC: zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com, patRice <publicpat(a)yahoo.com>, >zorn-list-bounces+boyerst=kellyservices.com(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations / Naked Lunch DVD >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:44:31 -0500 > > >I really like the titles:' Memory serves' 'Massacre' and I think another >is 'Baselines' all 80's releases. IMHO - Stu > > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Find high-speed net deals comparison-shop your local providers here. https://broadband.msn.com

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Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations
by Efrén del Valle 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Hi there, I never considered myself a Bill Laswell fan until I discovered "Filmtracks 2000", "Invisible Design", some of his work with Toshinori Kondo and Ernaldo Bernocci and Material's "Hallucination Engine". I already knew his discography has enormous proportions so I thought it would be good to ask you what you think are his ESSENTIAL albums, regardless of genre (dub, ambient, funk, whatever). Painkiller is covered yet. I never thought I'd get this guys work... Many thanks in advance. Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versiÃ³n GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y mÃ¡s... http://messenger.yahoo.es

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RE: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations
by Manolis 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

Can't think of too many albums on the spot. Of his ambient stuff I do like a lot the DIVINATION series, often heavy, dark ambient dub. I also have 2 CDs by AUTOMATON that I like which are quite ambient and quite atmospheric. The OSCILLATIONS CDs I somehow remember not particularily liking.... The "Hallucination Engine" is I think the top of Material CDs, "seven souls" is also excellent (the original, NOT a more recent re-mix called "the road to the western lands"-i think). "The third power" by Material is also very good. The earlier Material stuff sounds quite dated to me; flirting with disco in "one down" and power improck-jazz in "temporary music" (if i recall correctly). I find both ARCANA CDs absolutely essential; "the last wave" and "arc of the testimony". Of his remixes, I would strongly recommend only the Cuban ones, which are quite fine, esp. the double "Havana moods". Hope it helps, thats what i could think of right now. manolis

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Re: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations
by Bill Ashline 12 Jan '04

12 Jan '04

From: Efr?n del Valle<efrendv(a)yahoo.es> Subject: Tough work: Bill Laswell recommendations >I thought >it would be good to ask you what you think are his >ESSENTIAL albums, regardless of genre (dub, ambient, >funk, whatever). Efren, I don't listen to as much Laswell as I used to, partly because he's married now and has a kid and isn't producing as much as before and partly because he seems to have lost some of the edge he had in the early to late nineties, but the ones I still like a lot are the early Axiom catalogue, Last Exit, Hear No Evil, Equations of Eternity, most of the Divination and Automaton CDs, and the Asana CDs. His best ambient album is Rasa Serene Timeless Joy, a title he copped from Burroughs. I also liked his production work with the Tibetan monks which is called Somma. I still like the first couple of CDs he did with Pharaoh Sanders and his work with Foday Musa Suso. Laswell's production work was my first inroad into the Gnawa Musicians, Jajouka, and Samulnori. That stuff I still prize. I've enjoyed his Oscillations recordings (D & B), though many don't. And I think one of the best places to go for dub is his Axiom dub comp and the second and third Sacred System CDs (I don't care so much for the fourth or the first). Stuff to avoid includes Emerald Aether and the Operazone releases. His work with Eno on ambient 4 had a big effect on his production aesthetic, which is why many of his recordings sound so glossy at times. I still go back to his APC releases, including the dub recordings and his work with Cuban musicians on Havana Mood. Pretty much all of what you find on Filmtracks has already appeared on these other recordings, much of it in the Axiom catalogue that Polygram controls right now. The new Axiom releases are on Palm Pictures, Chris Blackwell's label now since he sold Island. The best on Palm is the Tabla Beat Science studio release with Zakir Hussein and Karsh Kale. About seven years ago, the main Laswell releases I was listening to were Hallucination Engine, Ekstasis (the first one--the second is very sugary), Anton Fier's Dreamspeed and Absence of Time, Golden Palomino's Dead Inside, Pharoah Sanders' Message From Home. Of these, the Anton Fier and the Palomino's are holding up best for me. Hope that helps a little.

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