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Re: Thomas Chapin
by ssmith36＠sprynet.com 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

In addition to the live box (which is great if your budget stretches that far -- and a damn site more consistent than the spotty Marsalis box), I'd recommend 'Haywire,' Thomas's disc with strings. Great tunes and smart arrangements. I'll also take the opportunity to preach one more time the merits of Mario Pavone's wonderful 'Dancers Tales' (also on Knitting Factory Records), which boasts the enviable front line of Chapin and Marty Ehrlich. Music aside, Thomas was a beautiful, sweet, sensitive soul. His untimely passing came during my stint at the Knitting Factory, and needless to say, we were all completely shellshocked at the enormity of the loss. We still are. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Tony Malaby, "Sabino," 'Sabino' (Arabesque) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Missing Penguins
by TagYrIt＠aol.com 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

In a message dated 4/2/2003 12:13:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, chads(a)statenet.com writes: > i dont know why > they insist on continually keeping arthur doyle out of the guides. I've noticed quite a few omitions like this too - there's no listing for Tom Cora (probably should be) or Curlew (maybe borderline, I couldn't say). I know I've found a few others as well, but I don't remember who off the top of my head. Dale.

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Thomas Chapin
by Richard Gardner 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

I am ashamed to admit that I have only just come across the work of Thomas Chapin. I presume some of you guys must have known him. What a wonderful player and what a tragic early death. Any thoughts about him would be very appreciated. I have been enjoying Menagerie Dreams and Sky Piece and checked the Penguin Guide for more information. I see that there is an 8CD box called Alive. Has anybody heard this? The Guide suggests that it covers most of the important stuff that Chapin did. I am still contemplating the Marsalis Box is this one worth the cover charge? Cheers Richard Gardner

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re: Wynton Marsalis
by Mark Saleski 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

yep, i've always thought that Live at Blues Alley was a pretty good recording. in fact, i kind of liked a lot of the early Winton Marsalis...my favorite is probably Black Codes (From The Underground)....that one had a great lineup....with Tain Watts smackin' the crap out of the drums. i don't remember the exactly release cronology but personally i bought The Majesty Of The Blues after Black Codes....then i had a chance to see Wynton play. the bulk of the material was from The Majesty.... and i gotta tell ya it was one of the most boring jazz shows i'd ever seen. rememer being in a class in high school or college? ...and you're in the grip of sleep?....you want it...it wants you....but you don't really want to fall asleep so you fight it....violent head nodding ensues... ugh! this happend to me a couple of times during the "show", which went as follows: play the head....each player solos....revisit the head. repeat this until mark falls asleep and bonks his head on the seatback in front of him. mark >On the Zornlist this will probably taken as an outbreak of hostilities but I >think the band Marsalis has on Live at Blue Alley is a really great group >with exceptional playing. There is nothing challenging and everybody stays >firmly within the tradition that Marsalis upholds but it is a fine swinging >band. > -- Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

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Re: Thomas Chapin
by Eyal Hareuveni 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

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Re: Music Magazines
by Perfect Sound Forever 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

I'd definitely second the recommendation for Blastitude <http://www.blastitude.com/>. Angbase is a good read also: <http://www.angbase.com/> Neumu always has interesting stuff in it, esp. Phil Sherburne's columns: <http://neumu.net/> Someone else was asking about a good jazz guide. Ben Ratliff's recent book for the New York Times series is not only for dabblers and beginnings. A lot of interesting facts and observations there too. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine with warped perspectives perfect-sound(a)furious.com http://www.perfectsoundforever.com

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Re: jazz guide
by Patrick Borsarini 02 Apr '03

02 Apr '03

Yes, www.allmusic.com is a beautiful and astonishing internet tool for music interests. (and been browsing it a lot too!) but sometimes you need something you can read on the bus when you're into a long trip or maybe sometimes you enjoy reading in bed, you know! cheers and many thanks -- On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:47:01 Lang Thompson wrote: > >>Penguin guide to jazz >>All music guide to jazz > >I think all of the contents of the All Music guide can be found on the >website (http://www.allmusic.com) along with much much more, not to mention >search abilities by side personnel, song titles, etc. The advantage to All >Music is that it's reasonably thorough and has tons of info but the >drawbacks are that it's by numerous writers (even including me) who >naturally have different approaches and the AMG books also tend to be a bit >disorganized (try to find a particularly Ellington compilation for instance >out of all the Ellington pages). I use the website constantly but haven't >opened one of the books in maybe a couple of years. > >I've liked the Penguin guide ever since it first appeared in the US even >though to be honest I don't find it much use as an actual guide. Seems >like the bulk of the records get 3 to 4 stars so little distinction is made >that way and the written descriptions can be too brief or even contradict >the star ratings in some cases. I also realize they need to focus on >in-print releases for reasons of space but wish they could keep older items >that will be reprinted, are still easily available or just have sufficient >interest. But since the Penguin guide is written by two people it's pretty >consistent as far as tone and attitude and they have pretty broad tastes so >not much gets slighted offhand (except pop and light jazz almost completely >ignored but then so what?). And it's also just lots of fun to browse: I've >sat down to look up one release and then half an hour later will still be >flipping through it. > >Lang > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > _____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB, POP3, Spam Filtering with LYCOS MAIL PLUS for $19.95/year. http://login.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus&ref=lmtplus

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Re: icp orchestra - susan botti-terminal 4- fire of space
by ericksna＠umich.edu 01 Apr '03

01 Apr '03

I had a chance to catch the ICP orchestra at their show in ann arbor, MI. Thought that it was excellent, though it was my first time seeing them live, and am unsure as to the set list, though know that they played 'roll 3' and 'on off' the venue was very small and intimate and quite loud, I might add. Where do people recommend someone ought to start out in their catalogue? I'm also wondering if anyone is familiar with any of the following groups as they are playing in the near future at the same venue: "Fire of Space, susan botti, or Terminal 4? I've heard that Susan Botti is doing some interpretive works involving the music of tom waits and merdith monk, and as a tom waits follower, I'm a bit intrigued, though a bit in the dark as to what that might entail. Any advice?

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Wynton Marsalis
by Simon Calle 31 Mar '03

31 Mar '03

I've heard the complete Marsalis at the Village Vanguard box set. It has a lot of good stuff in it, but its not all like Live at Blues Alley. It really depends in what you are looking for, becasuse for me the best tracks on the box are the ones really close to the New Orleans jazz and the live version of some of the parts of In This House on This Morning. Simon Calle

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