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correction
by Jeb Bishop 01 Dec '03

01 Dec '03

It came to my attention that Zach Steiner posted the following recently: <<Vandermark's albums (particularly V5) tend to be a bit insipid, especially in contrast to their live shows. Jeb Bishop just shines throughout, despite having almost two 6 packs the night I saw them. [...] >> While it is nice that Mr. Steiner enjoys my playing, the statement about my alcohol consumption is completely untrue. I never have more than one drink before the end of a gig -- generally I sip on one through two sets. If "the night I saw them" was the Indianapolis gig, I had had several bowls of excellent homemade borscht, but nothing like that amount of alcohol. If I'd had that much to drink, I'd have been unable to put the trombone together, let alone play anything on it. Frankly, Mr. Steiner, the fact that you can so blithely make a completely false statement like this annoys the shit out of me. The 'almost' qualifier makes it sound as though you were following me around counting the number of beers I'd had -- it would have to be ten or eleven to qualify as "almost two six-packs," wouldn't it. You could not possibly have witnessed this, because I didn't drink ten or eleven beers, or even two. But you nonetheless feel justified in publishing this misinformation as if it was something you had first-hand knowledge of. People reading it will then gain the belief that I did this gig totally shit-faced, which is something I would never do. This was the last gig on a long tour and I was undoubtedly fatigued -- maybe that's what you think was drunkenness. But if you don't know what you're talking about -- as you clearly don't here -- then you should keep your fucking mouth shut, rather than accusing me of being drunk on the job. I have no interest in hearing an apology from you, by the way. Just trying to set the record straight. --Jeb Bishop jebbishop3(a)earthlink.net

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re: corrections (skip's rulez)
by Kurt Gottschalk 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

excellent points, skip. in addition, people posting here should keep in mind something more immediate. there are musicians lurking on the list, some who have rarely or never posted. i know of some. you might think you're sitting in the dark with your ibook, but you're in public, friends. keep in mind that you might be overheard. (and check out skip's new site <http://www.skipheller.com> kg _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com

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Gathering feathers from a breeze
by mod bohemian 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

All the posts about a comment on someone's drinking habits reminded me of something I read quite awhile back. The young wife of a small town, well-loved mayor was having lunch with her uncle, a very handsome man only a couple of years older than his niece. He was her favorite uncle, and they had been close since childhood. He had been out of the country for some time, so their reunion was especially joyful as they hugged each other and hung on each other's words. They had a lot to catch up on, so the two of them requested a quiet table at the restaurant. They shared a bottle of wine and a lot of laughs, hugs, and smiles. During the next week, the woman began receiving a lot of icy stares from her neighbors and friends. For some odd reason, they all shook their heads and then ignored her. She had no idea what was going on. Next a few weeks later, someone finally broke down and informed her that most people simply did not approve of her inappropriate behavior at all. The woman was completely confused and asked, "What behavior?" The reply: "Making a mockery of your marriage by openly having an affair." The woman was shocked because she had never had an affair! Just one person saw the uncle and the niece together and ASSUMED they were lovers, and soon tales spread about the affair, and they began to grow and the current word was that the man was only the most recent of a long line of affairs...... I have a feeling that the original comment was not uttered with any malicious intent or even thought of any harm. But, for some reason, I've unfortunately noticed that a lot of people today cannot separate fact from opinion. I recently read, "Who Stole Feminism?" by Christina Hoff Sommers. It's one of the scariest books I've ever read in my life. One person -- ONE person -- made a comment that "probably" more women were abused by their husbands and boyfriends on the day of the Super Bowl than on any other day of the year. Through the grapevine, the word "probably" was dropped, and now the statistic that more women were abused on Super Bowl Sunday than any other day was repeated so often that it became an accepted fact. Highly respected journalists were speculating on just what it was that made all those men so violent when they were watching football. I'm sure many Americans here remember that story from approximately a decade ago. Well......one person decided to track down the "statistic," though it wasnt an easy job. Each person simply heard it from another person and no one seemed to know where the original statistic was. Guess what? There is no statistic. There never was. One person's opinion was repeated so often that no one even questioned it anymore -- not just readers of newspapers and journals and watchers of television, but national journalists that we are supposed to trust to tell the truth. One little innocent feather flies in the wind and before you know it, the sky is filled with billowy clouds that rain down the "truth." And, of course you know who I am -- the illegimate daughter of Elvis Presley. No really, I swear it's true! Honestly! (Sorry, just couldn't end this without a mischievous touch) Jennifer _________________________________________________________________ Gift-shop online from the comfort of home at MSN Shopping! No crowds, free parking. http://shopping.msn.com

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Jeb Bishop and V5
by Alan Kayser 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

I happen to have produced a couple of shows for the V5 a few years back in Philadelphia (Sweetnighter Productions), and was an audience member for several other shows of theirs as well. I must put in my 2 cents to state that Mr Bishop et al were all very professional gentlemen and clearly quite serious about their music. To send out such misinformation is most unfortunate and I support Mr Bishop in his efforts to set the record straight. Alan Kayser _________________________________________________________________ Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx

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Correction
by Tosh 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

This is an interesting interaction in a sense - and I have to say I totally agree with Jeb being upset - because if it was me I would be upset too. Some years ago there was a rumor printed by a newspaper critic that wasn't true - and this critic based his whole article on a factual untruth regarding someone I love intensely. Luckly the paper allowed me to go one-on-one with the idiot reporter (by printing a good-sized article by yours truly), but if they didn't allow me to respond I would feel terrible. I don't think Zach was thinking clearly when he made that statement. A lot of it has to do with the nature of the internet and e-mails. There is something intimate regarding the e-mail, and I think one forgets that they are talking to a whole room of strangers - or lives that could be affected by what one says or not say for that matter. I sincerely think Zach thought he was making a compliment (of sorts), but the truth is he did make comments that are not factual or shouldn't be aired with a group of strangers - and more important it was VERY proper for Jeb to make his comments. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com

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come feel me tremble
by skip heller 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Anyone besides me see this yet? Wondering what anyone else thought of it. skip h

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Don Byron (nzc)
by Jeff Caltabiano 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

What's the latest on Don Byron? He hasn't released an album since 2001's "You Are #6," his 4th consecutive yearly release on Blue Note--so have they dropped him? Are there any releases on the horizon? jeff caltabiano hollywood, ca

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Re: zorn's live recordings
by Kurt Gottschalk 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Efren sed: >I haven't felt over-excited about a Zorn album since "IAO" in fairness, that was only 18 months ago. true a number of zorn records have come out since, but how often do you need a composer to be brilliant? don't let his glutting of the marketplace detract from the significant work he does do. and glut tho it may be, i really enjoy all three volumes of the masada 10th anniversary series. unless it seeps into the 11th anniversary, however, it doesn't look like we're getting the courvoisier/feldman play masada disc. pity that. kg np: the beatles cd singles collection _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio

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The soul of a man
by Ricardo Campillo 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

Hi, here these days takes place the Sitges international film festival, and the next week will be shown the last Wim Wenders documentary-film The Soul Of a man. There are really interesting names on it: Nick Cave, Marc Ribot, James Blood Ullmer, Blind Willie Johnson, Vernon Reid..., but my faith in Wenders is null, I generally find his cinema really awful( except The Sky above Berlin), and I wish to know something more about this film, any comment or opinion is welcomed. By the way, today I've seen Seijun Suzuki's "Pistol Opera" and I'm very glad to prove that this man keep on doing the most eccentric, oniric, original, surprising and absurd thrillers. Absolutely reccomendable. Thanks in advance, and regards. Ricardo. _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sorteos Â¡Ya puedes comprar LoterÃa de Navidad! http://yahoo.ventura24.es/

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Attn Seattle/etc: Fri. Nov. 28: Tim Young (of Zony Mash) with "V" [+ some NEWS]
by squeegee media 28 Nov '03

28 Nov '03

hi folks - a last minute important headsup: fyi ----> Tim Young is back from touring Europe with Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash (the acoustic version -- aka "Sweeter Than the Day") and he's beefin' up on turkey right now for an appearance *tomorrow night* at The Rainbow, with his cool "V" project (which last played to over 300 folks here at On the Boards, back in late October). This is gonna be one helluva FUN night, check it: [see promo below] and do NOT miss the opener if you go - it's a new player on the Seattle scene, someone to watch -- also note that the Master Musicians of Bukkake features Seattle's John Schuller, who's been reviewed to great acclaim in The Wire... ...not to mention Alan Bishop of the Sun City Girls, making a brief appearance w/ the EXPLODING BRIEFCASES OF CAIRO! dang, what BANG FOR THE BUCK! (only $5!) final FYI's : Wayne Horvitz & Zony Mash are playing their farewell "electric" shows on Dec. 12 & 13, 2003, at the Rainbow... :-( (plus Dec. 11 in Bellingham, WA) and - note that the Sun City Girls (!!!) are playing their only public show of 2003 on Sat. Dec. 6th at Bob's Java Jive! (Tacoma) email the address below for more info.... ======= Javier & The Squeegee Presentan: * V - led by Timothy Young & Paul Moore (an alt-micro-version of the "V" symphonic rockestra, recently seen at On the Boards) * MASTER MUSICIANS OF BUKKAKE (levitational psychoacoustic campfire romp featuring several possessed celebrities...) * EXPLODING BRIEFCASES OF CAIRO (a SunCityGirl & friends do the camel walk) * SUGARSKULLS (sweetpowerprogmonster: 3 girls + drummer) * LABYRINTH AND THE DESERT (one-man guitar/drums free-rawk mayhem!) ***** FRIDAY NOVEMBER 28 ***** at THE RAINBOW [U-District/Seattle] 722 NE 45th Street / ph: (206) 634-1761 www.therainbowlivemusic.com / 21 & over 9pm doors / 9:30pm showtime (sharp!) special 5$ bargain cover cheap for you! {Thanksgiving leftovers super special!} Any questions? email: thesqueegee "at" comcast.net phone: (206) 339-3975 (messages)

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