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BOREDOMS FUSHITSUSHA MELT BANANA RUINS
by Michael Gillham 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

TOKYO INVASION. VOLUME 1 : COSMIC KURUSHI MONSTERS" 2 x CD (Virgin, TOKYO1, 1996). Simply put, this is an absolutely incredible compilation compiled by Tony Herrington (then editor of THE WIRE magazine) documenting the "Japanese Underground". All of Virgin's releases such as this were formally OOP in 1999 and this really has become very scarce and sought after. Artists featured : (DISC ONE) MUSICA TRANSONIC, OMOIDE HATOBA, SPACE STREAKINGS, KYOJI SAWADA'S BASE OF FICTION, RUINS, DEMI SEMI QUAVER, KEIJI HAINO, MASAKI BATOH, BASS ARMY, HIRIHITO, OPTICAL*8 (DISC TWO) SHIZUKA, KATO HIDEKI, KAZAYUKI K NULL (KK NULL) & ICHIRO AGATA, FUSHITSUSHA, MELT BANANA, BOREDOMS, VAJRA, GROUND ZERO, ALTERED STATES, HIGH RISE, MAGICAL POWER MAKO. All tracks featured have been released elsewhere prior to this release or since. However, some of those releases are now long OOP also. FULL COLOUR SAVAGE PENCIL ARTWORK. The RESERVE PRICE is Â£19.99 which is very fair considering that this has sold for up to $150 on eBay! In Overall EX+ condition with no major defects, if any. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=903857358 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Re: SPK samples used on JOHN ZORN releases, etc
by francko.lamerikx＠philips.com 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

On the subject of Zorn sampling SPK: > I don't know if any other sharp-eared people noticed > that the start of SPK's "Ground Zero : Infinity Dose" > (from "Information Overload Unit") was sampled on > "Propolution" (track 9 of "Nani Nani"). > John Zorn also used the same sample (albeit more of) > on "Artemisia Absinthium", track 5 of Naked City's > "Absinthe" album. > SPK are named in the list of influences, etc, on the > inlay of Naked City's "Radio" album. There is also a sample of an SPK track in the "A Lot of Fun for the Evil One" track on "Filmworks IV". I don't know the name of the track, but it's on "Information Overload Unit". Come to think of it, has anyone recognized any other samples used in "A Lot of Fun...", since this track is constructed completely from sampled material? Frankco np: Nile "In Their Darkened Shrines" nr: Ian Stewart & Jack Cohen "Figments of Reality"

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Re: Ken Vandermark
by Paul Escamilla 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

Any fans of Ken Vandermark here? Thoughts? Opinions? Anyone going to his show in NYC this week?

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RE: Closing of the American Mind (still fairly off topic...)
by Arthur Gadney 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

>Bloom wasn't wrong in his criticism of the deteriorating, collective > >academic American "mind," but his assessment of causes was often >rather >convenient as well as elitist and self-serving. Just curious: Did he suggest any way to solve this problem? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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RE: Closing of the American Mind
by billashline＠netscape.net 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

>From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner(a)butler.edu> >To: "'Zornlist'" <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Closing of the American Mind > >A friend of mine (a guitarist who has forsaken rock for classical in the >past year) has been telling me quite a bit about a book by Allan Bloom >called The Closing of the American Mind, specifically the section >pertaining to music. In this section he is very critical of rock music >and pretty much any music that doesn't fit under the broad classical >nomenclature, at least this is the impression that I get from my friend >and some of the quotes he's used. I wanted some z-listers' opinions on >this book and its views. I have not had the time to pick the book up, >so I'm going on what my friend has told me. Is this book as hard lined >as my friend is making it out to be, that Bloom has no tolerance for (or >worse believes in the inherit evilness of) any non-classical music, >especially rock? If so that's a very frustrating view to me as I know >of a great many non-classical works that have enriched my life in a way >many classical pieces have failed. Mozart is nice, but I can only >listen for so long (the Requiem is another story, though). I'll endorse most of what Herb said. This book came out in the late 80's and was one of the first volleys in what become the "culture wars" in American universities. Bloom was influenced heavily by classical political theorist Leo Strauss in Chicago. I don't find much of what Bloom says very interesting. It's a tendentious book prone to dumb caricatures like "the leftistization of Nietszche and vice versa" to describe the impact of French poststructuralism on humanities departments. Grad students found it an easy target for elementary deconstructive readings, like the title for instance. Bloom wasn't wrong in his criticism of the deteriorating, collective academic American "mind," but his assessment of causes was often rather convenient as well as elitist and self-serving. As a whole, the book hasn't had much longlasting value. He indeed has an argument about music, but it's nostalgic and I don't take it seriously. Unlike Marcin, I find Adorno far more interesting, especially his stuff on mass culture, though his comments on jazz are best ignored (we've been here before). NP: Ginger Baker, "East Timor", Going Back Home (just came back home myself from East Timor, a lovely country that I hope can survive). -- His face is turned towards the past. Where we preceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe which keeps piling wreckage upon wreckage and hurls it in front of his feet. The angel would like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such violence that the angel can no longer close them. This storm irresistibly propels him into the future to which his back is turned, while the pile of debris before him grows skyward. This storm is what we call progress. --Walter Benjamin on the Angel of History You can always rely on America to do the right thing, once it has exhausted the alternatives. --Winston Churchill __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

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Re: Odp: Closing of the American Mind
by Arthur Gadney 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

Hello. > > I just finsihsed reading a book by Noam Chomsky where he stated that he > > thinks Bloom's book is "incredibly stupid". So that's also a view. > >What book was it in? "Understanding Power". I think it's the newest one. I heartly recommend it, even for people who disagree with or just generally dislike Chomsky. It a collection of interviews, very funny and thought provocing. And, the main reason for getting this book, it has 500 pages of footnotes which are available for free. Not just normal references, but almost a small additional article about every point with extensive qoutes from the original sources Chomsky refers to. It's really quite spetacular, and make sit an extremely valuable source for futher reference on a long number of topics. Anyway, Chomsky talks about Bloom's book for a few pages. He mentions that he read the book in 15 minutes while standing on the line in the supermarket! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: Closing of the American Mind
by Arthur Gadney 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

I just finsihsed reading a book by Noam Chomsky where he stated that he thinks Bloom's book is "incredibly stupid". So that's also a view. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: Closing of the American Mind
by Herb Levy 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

"Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner(a)butler.edu> wrote: >A friend of mine (a guitarist who has forsaken rock for classical in the >past year) has been telling me quite a bit about a book by Allan Bloom >called The Closing of the American Mind, specifically the section >pertaining to music. In this section he is very critical of rock music >and pretty much any music that doesn't fit under the broad classical >nomenclature, at least this is the impression that I get from my friend >and some of the quotes he's used. I wanted some z-listers' opinions on >this book and its views. I have not had the time to pick the book up, >so I'm going on what my friend has told me. Is this book as hard lined >as my friend is making it out to be, that Bloom has no tolerance for (or >worse believes in the inherit evilness of) any non-classical music, >especially rock? If so that's a very frustrating view to me as I know >of a great many non-classical works that have enriched my life in a way >many classical pieces have failed. Mozart is nice, but I can only >listen for so long (the Requiem is another story, though). I have a lot of problems with Bloom's view of what counts as useful cultural artifacts, which goes far beyond a criticism of rock versus classical music. He's got a complex analysis with roots deep in classical philosophy about how people in the US don't think through the implications of their core beliefs & tastes. Oversimplifying his argument, he thinks that the general culture seen in the US doesn't exemplify the founding ideas & ideals behind the country as the culmination, so far, of Western civilization. Despite my disagreements with many of his ideas and much of his taste, I've got to point out that boiling his complex argument down to "does he really think rock sucks?", coupled with a statement like >I have not had the time to pick the book up, so I'm going on what my >friend has told me. is symptomatic of what he considered to be an overly shallow approach to culture on the part of many people living under the influence of the US. -- Herb Levy Mappings: new music in RealAudio P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA http://antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm mappings(a)antennaradio.com

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Closing of the American Mind
by Zachary Steiner 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

A friend of mine (a guitarist who has forsaken rock for classical in the past year) has been telling me quite a bit about a book by Allan Bloom called The Closing of the American Mind, specifically the section pertaining to music. In this section he is very critical of rock music and pretty much any music that doesn't fit under the broad classical nomenclature, at least this is the impression that I get from my friend and some of the quotes he's used. I wanted some z-listers' opinions on this book and its views. I have not had the time to pick the book up, so I'm going on what my friend has told me. Is this book as hard lined as my friend is making it out to be, that Bloom has no tolerance for (or worse believes in the inherit evilness of) any non-classical music, especially rock? If so that's a very frustrating view to me as I know of a great many non-classical works that have enriched my life in a way many classical pieces have failed. Mozart is nice, but I can only listen for so long (the Requiem is another story, though). Zach

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Byrne Seek
by Stephen Fruitman 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

Does anyone have a copy of this they´re willing to trade, or know how to get hold of one? David Byrne, _In Spite of Wishing and Wanting_ _Luaka Bop_. -- Stephen Fruitman Dept of Historical Studies Umea University SE-901 87 Umea Sweden

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