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Re: Quantum Weirdness
by Crowmeat Bob 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

In trying to come up with an example of a quantum approach to music, Butcher just popped to mind. No doubt there are better examples. It could be that the relation is too metaphorical and not well enough grounded in direct mathematical correlation. But I was thinking of the revolutionary scientific mind-set that produces such music, like Tom points out -- in this case, breaking down the sound into its smallest elements in order to experiment with its possibilities. It's obviously not the approach that somebody like Ayler takes on the same instrument, and it correlates much easier to the molecular sciences. And I don't really see it as metaphor -- it's an actual, material experimentation with sound that could very well produce effects in every sphere, just as investigations into quantum physics seem to do. But I was just speckulatin on a hypothesis. I know I don't know nothin. Meaning I'd hate to reduce a deeply investigative science into a resemblance it doesn't warrant. But accusing one of making spurious associations without providing alternatives is perhaps equally reductive. Maybe the question here is really about the value of metaphor and what constitutes a real relation. As far as Parker goes, we won't have been the first to make the connection between his multiphonics and the rhizome. --bob >From: Tom Benton <rancor(a)ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> >To: crowmeat(a)hotmail.com >CC: The Zorn List <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com>, ><proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> >Subject: Re: Quantum Weirdness Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:58:14 -0600 >(CST) > > > > John Butcher was a physicist before turning to saxophonism, but he > > claims that in his case there's no intentional relation between the two. > > However, one could easily read them in, given his microactive technique. > > I heard or read somewhere of his being asked about the connection (that >is, physics -> music) and though he claimed there was no direction >relation as above, I believe he did say something to the effect of >his approaching the horn with same discipline and regimented patience that >he developed as a scientist. That Parker was a botanist makes lovely >sense. I suspect it takes a very special kind of experimentalist brain to >do what those gentleman do... _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp

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Rhizome
by Chris Selvig 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

"As far as Parker goes, we won't have been the first to make the connection between his multiphonics and the rhizome. --bob" - the (non-botanic) rhizome is some sorta deconstructionist concept, right? Chris Selvig

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New DB solo guitar releases
by David Keffer 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

>From the Incus Website: I don't know how many of you picked up the first two releases "Chats" and "The Appleyard File" from Incus's CD-R line, but they have released now 5 CD-R with #6 forthcoming. NEW.... Solo Guitar Series, No. 1 In Church Derek Bailey, solo guitar recorded at Oostrumchurch, Holland in 1994 and in 2001 at St Michael and All Angels, London EVEN NEWER.... Solo Guitar Series, No. 2 South Derek Bailey, solo guitar recorded in Miami and Orlando, 1999 COMING SOON... Solo Guitar Series, No. 3 Different Guitars 1. Domestic recordings from the early 1970s on 19 string guitar 2. with Min Tanaka, recorded Plan B Tokyo in 1987 on Martin D18 3. The guitar from Anselmo. Recorded Berkely, CA 1992 on Gibson Super 400 Available from 16th November 2002 They all look good. David K.

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Re: Quantum Weirdness
by Tom Benton 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

> John Butcher was a physicist before turning to saxophonism, but he > claims that in his case there's no intentional relation between the two. > However, one could easily read them in, given his microactive technique. I heard or read somewhere of his being asked about the connection (that is, physics -> music) and though he claimed there was no direction relation as above, I believe he did say something to the effect of his approaching the horn with same discipline and regimented patience that he developed as a scientist. That Parker was a botanist makes lovely sense. I suspect it takes a very special kind of experimentalist brain to do what those gentleman do...

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Re: Quantum Weirdness
by Crowmeat Bob 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Elliott Sharp is interested in chaos theory and fractal math. It seems most apparent in the conflicting resonances of harmonic overtones in his use of string instruments. Not that you could listen and deduce specific mathematical relations from the music, but it does have a distinct character that seems to border on total molecular chaos but coalesces into a molar continuity. Especially the string quartets, Xenocodex and Larynx. It seems like some of the practitioners of 'onkyo', or computer musician/composers in general, ought to be interested in quantum theory. John Butcher was a physicist before turning to saxophonism, but he claims that in his case there's no intentional relation between the two. However, one could easily read them in, given his microactive technique. --bob np: Django >From: "Zachary Steiner" <zsteiner(a)butler.edu> >To: "'zorn list'" <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Quantum Weirdness >Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 18:17:22 -0500 > >Some physics friends of mine asked me if there has been music based on >quantum mechanics as there has been music based on all types of math and >the such. Has there? Thanks. > >Zach > > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp

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El Danzon de Moises
by patbor 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

hello, Tzadik RJC: Roberto Juan Rodriguez: El Danzon de Moises Do I find anyone who recommends this one? Are there any similarities with Diaspora Soul? Thank you.

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RE: Dave Douglas interview
by patbor 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

THANK YOU Efrén. Patb ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:57:12 +0100 (CET) >Hi, > >Below is the link for my interview with Dave Douglas >from two weeks ago. Comments will be welcome, even if >they're negative! > >http://www.tomajazz.com/perfiles/douglas_eng.htm > >Best, > >Efrén del Valle > >_______________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger >Nueva versión: Webcam, voz, y mucho más ¡Gratis! >Descárgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >

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Uri Caine's "Diabelli Variations"
by Peter Gannushkin 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Hello All, Did anybody have a chance to listen to Caine's "Diabelli Variations"? CD was released on Winter & Winter recently, but only in Europe. Would be glad to know what is its American release day too. -- Best regards, Peter Gannushkin e-mail: shkin(a)shkin.com URL: http://www.downtownmusic.net/

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Re: Arto Lindsay show
by Ricardo Jorge 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

I saw him in portugal the show depended a lot of laptop computers (it was only Arto, Melvin and a keyboardist/sax player) and the computers started to fail so the did a more noisy / improvised concert! I loved it!! they played some Arto Lindsay Trio songs! by the way, any dates for the 2nd Arto Lindsay trio album release?? > >Hi. The other day I went to an Arto show in my city >and I'm a bit surprised because I expected another >thing. >The concert started with the Julie Cruise and Khan >performance, the music wasn't good, but they created a >bizarre atmosphere, Khan inciting constantly the >audience and Cruise all dressed in black doing strange >things with her face and her hands (was like staying >in a David Lynch film). But the big surprise was Arto >, they played a lot of tunes of his "invoke" but >sounded really different, because he appeared with an >hyperamplified guitar doing noising sounds all the >time, turning the quiet tunes of his last album more >potent and exciting, it was great. >Any comments on the Arto tour? > >Regs.Ricardo. > >_______________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger >Nueva versiÃ³n: Webcam, voz, y mucho mÃ¡s Â¡Gratis! >DescÃ¡rgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail, o maior webmail do Brasil. http://www.hotmail.com

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Email change
by Ricardo Reis 04 Nov '02

04 Nov '02

Hi everyone. Just letting know that my email has changed to rreis(a)aero.ist.utl.pt greets, R.Reis "Non Serviam" n.p.: The modern american music og Ferde Grofe (The beau hunks)

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