I found a Bryan Ferry messageboard (wasn't hard), to see if they were talking about the Into the Night show with Dieter, and they sure were. Here is a link to their digest... (sory for those that cannot open (or follow) the link.) http://www.smoe.org/lists/avalon/v09.n261 Enjoy... Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy All your gymnastics grip needs right here! Abolish Daylight Savings Time; it's past its usefulness