Hello. If I heard correctly the music industry have announced to attack each music downloader from now on. Rene, I suggest you close the FTP site. It is better that people share between individual persons in sense "this and that are out of print, can you make a copy of them for me?". If people want a copy of some rare item, they should ask it in the list. An alternative could be that the FTP site would be at "ftp.yello.ch". Personal ftp accounts could be free or for some suitable price (which should not be much if they offer only files contributed by the fans). Another alternative would be that Yello gives a permission for what Rene and we are doing. This would ensure Rene and we are not getting in to trouble. Of course, Yello could always set up a proper site for purchasing high quality mp3 files either individually, in punch, or in yearly subscription basis. In any case, it can be debated (in court, not here please) that copying out of print material is actually "fair use". And even if it would not be "fair use", it can be debated (in court) if Yello can ask money for damages. Yello and the record company has shown no interest in making money with their out of print music. I have waited for over 15 years for a rare Yello music, but they are still out of sight. This is a very strong sign that Yello is not interested in making money with these music. I'm happy to confess any copyright infringement but I would not pay for imaginary damages. Nobody of us have reason to pay for damages as far as we share out of print material. It is nowadays for Yello very easy to fix the situation: set up a commercial mp3 site. The longer they hold it, the less they can demand for damages. It should be our common interest in to get all Yello material available. We have shown our interest, now it is Yello's turn. --*-- What would be the postal address where to I should send my requests for purchase of rarities? I would ask for a pro forma (prepaid bill). We all should send written requests for pro forma as it would clearly proof that we have done all possible for getting legal copies of the products. Best regards, Juhana
Hi Juhana, My personal FTp is down already, but not out of fear for the music industry. The debate on violation of copyright is a difficult one. I'd be the first in the shops when Yello outputs the long awaited collection of all there rare material. It will be added to my current collection of Yello hardware that I bought over the years. The FTP idea, started out as a means of sharing the absolute rare material that can't be purchased anymore. In that respect, you won't find full album copies or things like that. It is still illegal, but true fans should get what they deserve. That's music, and not Jail :-) - Let's say that if I could go to any shop on a monday afternoon and run down my list of Yello stuff I still miss, and I could buy it right there in that shop, I wouldn't be scrounging the net for mp3's and such. I'm a collector and fan, not a criminal. But the idea is obvious I guess. So, I don't have a problem with our little FTP solution. However.. while using Kazaa and SoulSeek for my search of rare stuff, I also see complete album rips that are still available in stores... that bothers me. Perhaps a contradiction but there's a shade of gray in all this. With the FTP on a different location and thus a new manager we can still keep up the faith that it will remain a rare-stuff ftp and not some server with evey last bit of yello noise. - And talking about copying ... I'm nearly done with the Live at the Roxy. There are some timing problems, where the lipsink of Dieter doesn't match what you hear. It'll be ready this evening I guess and tomorrow on the FTP. The quality is a bit poor. This is caused by my videotape, and the just repaired (!) videogear. It seems there's a loop in the earthing which causes a slight flimmer now and then. Something I cannot repair. But it looks okay... and it's better that having to watch it clipped down to chunks the way Yello decided to put it on tape. - Rene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juhana Sadeharju" <kouhia@nic.funet.fi> Subject: [Yello] ftp vs. copyright?
Hello. If I heard correctly the music industry have announced to attack each music downloader from now on.
Klonk Sat, 28 Jun 2003 20:58:01 +0300 veschprigt mroktar Juhana Sadeharju <kouhia@nic.funet.fi> [re: [Yello] ftp vs. copyright?]:
If I heard correctly the music industry have announced to attack each music downloader from now on. )1) Threats, Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Implementation is / will be another thing. )2) This FUD and threats are aimed towards peer-to-peer networks. This is not that.
An alternative could be that the FTP site would be at "ftp.yello.ch". Yeah, you get that set up, and we'll roll our stuff right over. You just let us know once that server is available.
Of course, Yello could always set up a proper site for purchasing high quality mp3 files either individually, in punch, or in yearly subscription basis. Here's another copy of the pertinent part of the README.FIRST file found on the server, since you appear to have missed its earlier posting:
"Post only rare / difficult to find material. Do not post full albums that can be easily found." "The moment Yello release a compendium or best of that makes available something that was not previously readily accessible, matching files will be removed from this server."
In any case, it can be debated (in court, not here please)... Then you should not have brought it up here. You offer your misguided opinion and immediately wish to deny responses? That is very bad for you.
It is nowadays for Yello very easy to fix the situation: set up a commercial mp3 site. Again, you just let us all know when that's up and running!
What would be the postal address where to I should send my requests for purchase of rarities? I would ask for a pro forma (prepaid bill). We all should send written requests for pro forma as it would clearly proof that we have done all possible for getting legal copies of the products. After all you had to say, this is actually, in my mind, a very very good idea!
--gcr
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