Do not forget every Blu-Ray disc author has to pay hefty licensing fees for the DRM that has to be included in every disc. There is a one time fee per author, per release and per each disc. This is why small independent publishers will not have their content available. Considering the DRM is making both hardware and discs a lot more expensive to the consumer in an attempt to prevent them form making legal copies of the content they supposedly own when they buy a disc. Just say no to DRM and do not buy.
I think the normal chain of events would be to release a standard DVD then down the road release the Blu-Ray version. That way they sell more standard DVDs If there is no Blu-ray version available the Blu-ray people will buy the standard version. To me Yello has made a smart choice They are appealing to the larger demographic. Then down the road they can have a special edition blu-ray package maybe with bonus items.
Sure, but this is pure marketing and sales strategy, and has nothing to do with BluRay being more expensive to make. So which is it, prohibitive costs or marketing strategy?
Yes, Jouni is absolutly right. We are publishing many DVD titles for our customers, but we did only one big big-ray project in the last two years. The authoring is very different to DVD. Of course you can use nonprofessional solutions, but these offer only the DVD menue structures with HD material embedded. But the "expensive" part is paying all the license and DRM fees to the blu-ray group. Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray release. So blu-ray is only for blockbusters and "common" music,. Am 16.11.2009 um 06:58 schrieb Jouni Salo:
Do not forget every Blu-Ray disc author has to pay hefty licensing fees for the DRM that has to be included in every disc. There is a one time fee per author, per release and per each disc. This is why small independent publishers will not have their content available.
Considering the DRM is making both hardware and discs a lot more expensive to the consumer in an attempt to prevent them form making legal copies of the content they supposedly own when they buy a disc. Just say no to DRM and do not buy.
I think the normal chain of events would be to release a standard DVD then down the road release the Blu-Ray version. That way they sell more standard DVDs If there is no Blu-ray version available the Blu-ray people will buy the standard version. To me Yello has made a smart choice They are appealing to the larger demographic. Then down the road they can have a special edition blu-ray package maybe with bonus items.
Sure, but this is pure marketing and sales strategy, and has nothing to do with BluRay being more expensive to make. So which is it, prohibitive costs or marketing strategy?
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But the "expensive" part is paying all the license and DRM fees to the blu-ray group. Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray release.
The fees were lowered this summer and the savings are up to 75% compared to earlier, according to http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3027 For example, the AACS costs for a first-time Blu-ray Disc publisher (for a run of 2,000 copies) has dropped from $4,380 (3,000 + 1,300 + 0.04 * 2,000) to just $1,080 (500 + 500 + 0.04 * 2,000), that is to say, a saving of over 75%. So unless there are some hidden fees or strange technical definitions not seen in this equation, Yello would have to pay less than 1100 dollars to make 2000 BluRays. That's about half a dollar per disc made/sold. Greetings from Glenn Folkvord Chief editor http://www.PlanetOrigo.com http://twitter.com/planetorigo Sci-fi movies | Electronic music
This is so funny. I asked the group for feedback on one of the TOUCH tracks recently and no one replied. Blu-Ray comes up and away we go. LOL --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com <glenn@folkvord.net> wrote: From: Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com <glenn@folkvord.net> Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make To: "The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful." <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:57 AM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georg Plank" <georg.plank@aon.at>
But the "expensive" part is paying all the license and DRM fees to the blu-ray group. Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray release.
The fees were lowered this summer and the savings are up to 75% compared to earlier, according to http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3027 For example, the AACS costs for a first-time Blu-ray Disc publisher (for a run of 2,000 copies) has dropped from $4,380 (3,000 + 1,300 + 0.04 * 2,000) to just $1,080 (500 + 500 + 0.04 * 2,000), that is to say, a saving of over 75%. So unless there are some hidden fees or strange technical definitions not seen in this equation, Yello would have to pay less than 1100 dollars to make 2000 BluRays. That's about half a dollar per disc made/sold. Greetings from Glenn Folkvord Chief editor http://www.PlanetOrigo.com http://twitter.com/planetorigo Sci-fi movies | Electronic music _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Yeah. Chaos theory. LOL! _____ From: yello-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Mark D Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:49 AM To: The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful. Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make This is so funny. I asked the group for feedback on one of the TOUCH tracks recently and no one replied. Blu-Ray comes up and away we go. LOL
that's because we're just deleting everything that looks potentially argumentative without reading it.
This is so funny. I asked the group for feedback on one of the TOUCH tracks recently and no one replied. Blu-Ray comes up and away we go. LOL    Â
--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com
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From: Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com <glenn@folkvord.net>
Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make
To: "The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful."
<yello@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:57 AM
----- Original Message
From: "Georg Plank" <georg.plank@aon.at>
But the "expensive" part is paying all the
license and DRM fees to the
blu-ray group.
Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray
release.
The fees were lowered this summer and the savings are up to 75% compared to earlier, according to http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3027
For example, the AACS costs for a first-time Blu-ray Disc publisher (for a run of 2,000 copies) has dropped from $4,380 (3,000 + 1,300 + 0.04 *
2,000) to just $1,080 (500 + 500 + 0.04 * 2,000), that is to say, a saving
of over 75%.
So unless there are some hidden fees or strange technical definitions not seen in this equation, Yello would have to pay less than 1100 dollars to
make 2000 BluRays. That's about half a dollar per disc made/sold.
Greetings from Glenn Folkvord Chief editor
http://twitter.com/planetorigo
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Hey - that was my email note about the "no reply"...LOL --- On Mon, 11/16/09, tourguide@pop.powweb.com <tourguide@pop.powweb.com> wrote: From: tourguide@pop.powweb.com <tourguide@pop.powweb.com> Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make To: "The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful." <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:25 PM that's because we're just deleting everything that looks potentially argumentative without reading it.
This is so funny. I asked the group for feedback on one of the TOUCH tracks recently and no one replied. Blu-Ray comes up and away we go. LOL
--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com <glenn@folkvord.net> wrote:
From: Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com <glenn@folkvord.net>
Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make To: "The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful." <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:57 AM
----- Original Message ----- From: "Georg Plank" <georg.plank@aon.at>
But the "expensive" part is paying all the license and DRM fees to the blu-ray group. Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray release.
The fees were lowered this summer and the savings are up to 75% compared to earlier, according to http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3027
For example, the AACS costs for a first-time Blu-ray Disc publisher (for a run of 2,000 copies) has dropped from $4,380 (3,000 + 1,300 + 0.04 * 2,000) to just $1,080 (500 + 500 + 0.04 * 2,000), that is to say, a saving of over 75%.
So unless there are some hidden fees or strange technical definitions not seen in this equation, Yello would have to pay less than 1100 dollars to make 2000 BluRays. That's about half a dollar per disc made/sold.
Greetings from Glenn Folkvord Chief editor
http://www.PlanetOrigo.com http://twitter.com/planetorigo Sci-fi movies | Electronic music
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heh heh heh I'm losing track! sorry! ;-)
Hey - that was my email note about the "no reply"...LOL Â
--- On Mon, 11/16/09, tourguide@pop.powweb.com <tourguide@pop.powweb.com> wrote:
From: tourguide@pop.powweb.com <tourguide@pop.powweb.com>
Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make
To: "The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful."
<yello@mailman.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 7:25 PM
that's because we're just deleting everything that looks potentially
argumentative without reading it.
This is so
funny. I asked the group for feedback on one of the TOUCH
tracks recently and no one replied. Blu-Ray comes up and away we go.Â
LOL Â Â Â Â
--- On Mon, 11/16/09, Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com
<glenn@folkvord.net> wrote:
From: Glenn Folkvord - PlanetOrigo.com <glenn@folkvord.net>
Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make To: "The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful."
<yello@mailman.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:57 AM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Georg Plank" <georg.plank@aon.at>
But the
"expensive" part is paying all the license and DRM fees to the
blu-ray group. Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray
release.
The fees were lowered this summer and the savings are up to 75% compared to earlier, according to http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3027
For example, the AACS costs for a first-time Blu-ray Disc publisher (for a run of 2,000 copies) has dropped from $4,380 (3,000 + 1,300 + 0.04 * 2,000) to just $1,080 (500 + 500 + 0.04 * 2,000), that is to say, a saving of over 75%.
So unless there are some hidden fees or strange technical definitions not seen in this equation, Yello would have to pay less than 1100 dollars to make 2000 BluRays. That's about half a dollar per disc made/sold.
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From: georg.plank@aon.at To: yello@mailman.xmission.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:06:15 +0100 Subject: Re: [Yello] Blu-Ray being more expensive to make
Yes, Jouni is absolutly right. We are publishing many DVD titles for our customers, but we did only one big big-ray project in the last two years. The authoring is very different to DVD. Of course you can use nonprofessional solutions, but these offer only the DVD menue structures with HD material embedded.
But the "expensive" part is paying all the license and DRM fees to the blu-ray group. Unless they lower these rate, there will never be a Yello blu-ray release.
So blu-ray is only for blockbusters and "common" music,.
Am 16.11.2009 um 06:58 schrieb Jouni Salo:
Do not forget every Blu-Ray disc author has to pay hefty licensing fees for the DRM that has to be included in every disc. There is a one time fee per author, per release and per each disc. This is why small independent publishers will not have their content available.
Considering the DRM is making both hardware and discs a lot more expensive to the consumer in an attempt to prevent them form making legal copies of the content they supposedly own when they buy a disc. Just say no to DRM and do not buy.
I think the normal chain of events would be to release a standard DVD then down the road release the Blu-Ray version. That way they sell more standard DVDs If there is no Blu-ray version available the Blu-ray people will buy the standard version. To me Yello has made a smart choice They are appealing to the larger demographic. Then down the road they can have a special edition blu-ray package maybe with bonus items.
Sure, but this is pure marketing and sales strategy, and has nothing to do with BluRay being more expensive to make. So which is it, prohibitive costs or marketing strategy?
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