Newly Posted! Of Course I'm Lying http://homepage.mac.com/jonathankamm/OfCourseImLying-Essential.mov More videos here: http://julzdesign.com/yelloforum/viewforum.php?f=8
Jon Kamm wrote:
Newly Posted!
Of Course I'm Lying http://homepage.mac.com/jonathankamm/OfCourseImLying-Essential.mov
Aahh, that's the best music video ever! I haven't seen it in many years. Thanks, Jon! -- Jussi Salmi http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~jussalmi/
*arghh* can´t see anything, just a blank screen. I hear the music luckily Tried with Realplayer10, Real alternative, Mplayer and Quicktime. All of these are the latest. /Jonas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Kamm" <kammagic@comcast.net> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:51 AM Subject: [Yello] Of Course I'm Lying - Essential Video
Newly Posted!
Of Course I'm Lying http://homepage.mac.com/jonathankamm/OfCourseImLying-Essential.mov
More videos here: http://julzdesign.com/yelloforum/viewforum.php?f=8
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Klonk Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:34:12 +0200 veschprigt mroktar "Jonas" <zetterman@home.se> [re: Re: [Yello] Of Course I'm Lying - Essential Video]:
can´t see anything, just a blank screen. I hear the music luckily Tried with Realplayer10, Real alternative, Mplayer and Quicktime. All of these are the latest.
I have to say, for the first time yet, this latest post is from /my/ viewing experience almost completely flawless. Not one single visual artifact - no fuscia blobbing, no artifacty squaroids. The only negative thing I experienced was a couple of points of frame-dropping, caused by who-knows-what. I have to say, despite your unfortunate experience, iKamm has finally iFigured something out. My guess is that he's actually taking some time to render his compressions instead of trying to bust them out very fast - and any compressor knows, a slow "careful" compression yields better results than a hasty one. It's always been a trade off between wanting a good compression and wanting a compression done now. iKamm clearly believed that the new power he had gotten from the Ori was without flaw, and as such thought that he could crank out these videos with great dispatch and without any care for quality control. Whoops. Guess the Ori aren't as all powerful as you thought, eh Kammy? The only problems that remain are that )1) iKamm's too stinking proud and iTarded to admit that his "older" compressions lick donkey balls, and need a good scrapping and re-doing, and )2) some people, like you, for unknown reasons, still are having problems resultant from his stupidly belligerent use of this mostly bleeding edge codec that offers no appreciable benefit from others more proven and more widely useful. Best just bleat along with the rest - Hallowed are the Ori - or our benevolent Prior will smite his staff into the ground and unleash untold unholy havoc upon thee, unbeliever. Here's an output report from iKamm's latest. I don't know it it will help you with any googling.... nevertheless, I wish you great success on your quest. Not to slather salt, but this really is FMPOV one of Yello's best ever. And [ouch!] one of [ow!] iKamm's [ay!] best too [hurk... ohhh, that hurts....]. Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) ISO: File Type Major Brand: Original QuickTime QuickTime/MOV file format detected. -------------- MOV track #0: 1501 chunks, 11839 samples Audio bits: 16 chans: 2 rate: 48000 Audio extra header: len=91 fcc=0x77617665 MOV: Found MPEG4 audio Elementary Stream Descriptor atom (51)! Fourcc: mp4a -------------- MOV track #1: 1011 chunks, 7559 samples MOV: Found unknown movie atom colr (18)! MOV: AVC decoder configuration record atom (43)! Image size: 480 x 360 (24 bpp) Display size: 480 x 360 Fourcc: avc1 Codec: 'H.264' -------------- MOV: longest streams: A: #0 (11839 samples) V: #1 (7559 samples) VIDEO: [avc1] 480x360 24bpp 30.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) ========================================================================== Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000) Selected audio codec: [faad] afm:faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG2/MPEG4 Audio) decoder) ========================================================================== Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) ========================================================================== --gcr
Howdy I read this 2 or 3 times now and I´m not sure yet if I should be offended or if your trying to help me. Didn´t understand half of it.... If you are in some how ironic in this letter I must learn more english. The only thing I´m sure of is that it´s a reply on my frustration that I couldn´t see the video /Jonas Sweden ----- Original Message ----- From: <organism@hydrophilus.com> To: "iCan't iBelieve iT!" <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [Yello] Of Course I'm Flying - Essential Video Klonk Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:34:12 +0200 veschprigt mroktar "Jonas" <zetterman@home.se> [re: Re: [Yello] Of Course I'm Lying - Essential Video]:
can´t see anything, just a blank screen. I hear the music luckily Tried with Realplayer10, Real alternative, Mplayer and Quicktime. All of these are the latest.
I have to say, for the first time yet, this latest post is from /my/ viewing experience almost completely flawless. Not one single visual artifact - no fuscia blobbing, no artifacty squaroids. The only negative thing I experienced was a couple of points of frame-dropping, caused by who-knows-what. I have to say, despite your unfortunate experience, iKamm has finally iFigured something out. My guess is that he's actually taking some time to render his compressions instead of trying to bust them out very fast - and any compressor knows, a slow "careful" compression yields better results than a hasty one. It's always been a trade off between wanting a good compression and wanting a compression done now. iKamm clearly believed that the new power he had gotten from the Ori was without flaw, and as such thought that he could crank out these videos with great dispatch and without any care for quality control. Whoops. Guess the Ori aren't as all powerful as you thought, eh Kammy? The only problems that remain are that )1) iKamm's too stinking proud and iTarded to admit that his "older" compressions lick donkey balls, and need a good scrapping and re-doing, and )2) some people, like you, for unknown reasons, still are having problems resultant from his stupidly belligerent use of this mostly bleeding edge codec that offers no appreciable benefit from others more proven and more widely useful. Best just bleat along with the rest - Hallowed are the Ori - or our benevolent Prior will smite his staff into the ground and unleash untold unholy havoc upon thee, unbeliever. Here's an output report from iKamm's latest. I don't know it it will help you with any googling.... nevertheless, I wish you great success on your quest. Not to slather salt, but this really is FMPOV one of Yello's best ever. And [ouch!] one of [ow!] iKamm's [ay!] best too [hurk... ohhh, that hurts....]. Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) ISO: File Type Major Brand: Original QuickTime QuickTime/MOV file format detected. -------------- MOV track #0: 1501 chunks, 11839 samples Audio bits: 16 chans: 2 rate: 48000 Audio extra header: len=91 fcc=0x77617665 MOV: Found MPEG4 audio Elementary Stream Descriptor atom (51)! Fourcc: mp4a -------------- MOV track #1: 1011 chunks, 7559 samples MOV: Found unknown movie atom colr (18)! MOV: AVC decoder configuration record atom (43)! Image size: 480 x 360 (24 bpp) Display size: 480 x 360 Fourcc: avc1 Codec: 'H.264' -------------- MOV: longest streams: A: #0 (11839 samples) V: #1 (7559 samples) VIDEO: [avc1] 480x360 24bpp 30.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) ========================================================================== Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000) Selected audio codec: [faad] afm:faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG2/MPEG4 Audio) decoder) ========================================================================== Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) ========================================================================== --gcr _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Klonk Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:00:01 +0200 veschprigt mroktar "Jonas" <zetterman@home.se> [re: Re: [Yello] Of Course I'm Flying - Essential Video]:
I read this 2 or 3 times now and I´m not sure yet if I should be offended or if your trying to help me. Didn´t understand half of it.... If you are in some how ironic in this letter I must learn more english. Not to worry, I am trying to provide information to you that might help you figure out why your computer refuses to render this video.
I also took the opportunity to remind certain parties that their holy compression algorhythm is deeply flawed, or, at least, so badly wielded that all but the last holy gift have obtrusive and obvious artifacts. It can be no longer any question that iKamm's true underlying intent is to gently force, just like the Priors of the Ori, all "unbelievers" into following the one true path to enlightenemnt, and that it wholesale switch to his iReligion. Else, he would have heard the complaints issued and sought a better way to render his video captures. However, I felt for the sake of fairness and strict honesty that it was necessary to state that there has been, at least from /my/ 'pewter's point of view, a marked improvement in the iMethod being employed, as this latest emission showed up /here/ without noticeable artifact. This does not vindicate or validate iKamm's continued use of his holy codec, as is made clear by your and others' continued difficulty with same. It's not /your/ fault. Plus, it pisses some people off, and that's entertainment that money cannot buy. Oh, no, now I've ruined it... they'll shut up now just to cut off my entertainment.... [voice of Droopy:] boo hoo!
The only thing I´m sure of is that it´s a reply on my frustration that I couldn´t see the video. I share your frustration. Truly iDo.
--gcr
You wouldn't seriously consider WMV9 a better alternative would you ? MPEG isnt and never was a lossless format, meaning if you compress something with it, you loose actual data. WHAT is lost is determined by mathematical algorithms (same for Minidisk, same for CD to some extend). Johns videos have always provided me pleasure - no matter of they were not of studio quality. Because they have been explicitely designed to be used over the internet, i would not know what I would do ANY different. Its actually classes better than anything I have seen coming from windows codecs over the years... Instead of appreciating his efforts, some people continue to rattle about this and that. Particularly sadeing is the fact that its not real criticism, its personal. The efforts are not focused on making anything better, they are done to speak up. To get attention. Yet it was a simple game actually: You are offered things, now you decide if you accept or not. Done. You can't take the offer AND complain. During the time on this list, I have seen and heard so many truely great videos, mixes and texts! Anyway I hope he's continuing so his time permits For those having playback difficulties I might dare to suggest one or more of the following: - www.videolan.org --> player - search download.com for "Mplayer" ( i dont know if it finally runs on windows too, its linuix media player (also for mac)) - http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=77 (forum for mpg4/h.264 related topics) - if you wish to describe your difficulties, try to make it as technical as you can. "doesnt work" is not precisely enough for the techies ;-) hmm I just see.. the word "proprietary" is missing in the original mail *hrhr* Halowed are th... *slamm!* Now a nice yelloday everyone Mike Early civilization often mistook the unexplainable world around them to be magic. Rupert sheldrake in his book "seven experiments that could change the world" has stated that scientist’s attitude toward their experiments affect the results of their experiments. There is no such thing as a definite fact in science and therefore the irrationality of magic plays an important part in our rational world. yello -- beyond mirrors ************* On Oct 6, 2005, at 5:45 PM, organism@hydrophilus.com wrote:
Klonk Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:00:01 +0200 veschprigt mroktar "Jonas" <zetterman@home.se> [re: Re: [Yello] Of Course I'm Flying - Essential Video]:
I read this 2 or 3 times now and I´m not sure yet if I should be offended or if your trying to help me. Didn´t understand half of it.... If you are in some how ironic in this letter I must learn more english.
Not to worry, I am trying to provide information to you that might help you figure out why your computer refuses to render this video.
I also took the opportunity to remind certain parties that their holy compression algorhythm is deeply flawed, or, at least, so badly wielded that all but the last holy gift have obtrusive and obvious artifacts.
It can be no longer any question that iKamm's true underlying intent is to gently force, just like the Priors of the Ori, all "unbelievers" into following the one true path to enlightenemnt, and that it wholesale switch to his iReligion. Else, he would have heard the complaints issued and sought a better way to render his video captures.
However, I felt for the sake of fairness and strict honesty that it was necessary to state that there has been, at least from /my/ 'pewter's point of view, a marked improvement in the iMethod being employed, as this latest emission showed up /here/ without noticeable artifact.
This does not vindicate or validate iKamm's continued use of his holy codec, as is made clear by your and others' continued difficulty with same. It's not /your/ fault.
Plus, it pisses some people off, and that's entertainment that money cannot buy. Oh, no, now I've ruined it... they'll shut up now just to cut off my entertainment.... [voice of Droopy:] boo hoo!
The only thing I´m sure of is that it´s a reply on my frustration that I couldn´t see the video.
I share your frustration. Truly iDo.
--gcr
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On 07/10/05, Mr. Mike from the Ancients <catalyst@datacomm.ch> wrote:
You wouldn't seriously consider WMV9 a better alternative would you ?
MPEG isnt and never was a lossless format, meaning if you compress something with it, you loose actual data. WHAT is lost is determined by mathematical algorithms (same for Minidisk, same for CD to some extend). ... CD is not lossy at all, it is 16 bit linear. It is lossy if you look at it from the point of view the original source was (is) analogue. If the mastering process is done correctly, 16 to 24 bit isn't really noticeable even on paper.
MD is lossy yes. Most of the lossy algorithms are based on psycho-acoustic loss, dumping what the brain cannot hear. Generally they have artifacts however, which are more noticeable than the actual losses. Some compression methods do not suffer that, the UK NICAM system for example (Near Instantaneous Companded Audio Multiplex) which uses a 32k sample rate (limited to 16kHz frequency width) and 14 bit encoding, which is subsequently trimmed (using the most significant bits only) to 10 bits. All UK BBC Radio national FM distribution uses this (not DAB), and UK Stereo 'analogue' TV. Zero artifacts. The same applies to visual compression, and UK DVB, the channels with slower bitrates are very noticeable. However, none of this is any use if you can't decode it. Even the best is useless if it can't be viewed. Apart from the extra space required why can't alternatives be offered?
Klonk Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:24:39 +0100 veschprigt mroktar Nic <trickynic@gmail.com> [re: Re: [Yello] I'm Sad That I'm Flying]:
On 07/10/05, Mr. Mike from the Ancients <catalyst@datacomm.ch> wrote:
You wouldn't seriously consider WMV9 a better alternative would you ? If you care to scroll back into the threads, you will find that I have generally suggested xvid, or even divx, as being a more useful, more broadly-decodable format. My suggestions and requests have been met with universal disdain as being the screeches of a heretic.
However, none of this is any use if you can't decode it. Even the best is useless if it can't be viewed. Apart from the extra space required why can't alternatives be offered? Can I get an ay-men-ah, brothers and sisters?
The continuing issue, accross which you have stumbled: iKamm believes wholly in his iReligion and hath therefore decreed an holy edict that, despite the continued presence of major artifacts [most recent emission excluded], H.264 Quicktime/MP4 shall be the medium of choice. It's his way of "gently persuading" one and all to convert to his iReligion. Naysayers are vilified, so watch your step, iHeathen! --gcr
Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy (thegripguy@rogers.com) All your gymnastics grip needs right here! Abolish Daylight Savings Time; it's past its usefulness, and I'm tired. On Oct 7, 2005, at 7:16 PM, organism@hydrophilus.com wrote:
Klonk Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:24:39 +0100 veschprigt mroktar Nic <trickynic@gmail.com> [re: Re: [Yello] I'm Sad That I'm Flying]:
On 07/10/05, Mr. Mike from the Ancients <catalyst@datacomm.ch> wrote:
You wouldn't seriously consider WMV9 a better alternative would you ?
If you care to scroll back into the threads, you will find that I have generally suggested xvid, or even divx, as being a more useful, more broadly-decodable format. My suggestions and requests have been met with universal disdain as being the screeches of a heretic.
However, none of this is any use if you can't decode it. Even the best is useless if it can't be viewed. Apart from the extra space required why can't alternatives be offered?
We're waiting for the alternative offerings...... Bueller?, Bueller?, Bueller? nobody has posted them. I'd rather watch jon's offerings than a blank screen with nothing at all
Can I get an ay-men-ah, brothers and sisters?
The continuing issue, accross which you have stumbled: iKamm believes wholly in his iReligion and hath therefore decreed an holy edict that, despite the continued presence of major artifacts [most recent emission excluded], H.264 Quicktime/MP4 shall be the medium of choice. It's his way of "gently persuading" one and all to convert to his iReligion.
At least he's not a Microserf...(that book was an interesting read!)
I didn't read the half you wrote organHips, but know something... It's always great to see Yello contents hear. It's not a material or codec contest. We are speaking about YELLO and nothing else than that, you made mistake on the forum you want to view. If not, write a book and stop to polluate this Y E L L O - M A I L I N G - L I S T . People are free to share what they what in the format they want, if you can't read it or something, google is your best friend. THANKS! GREG -----Message d'origine----- De : yello-bounces+yellorulez=free.fr@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces+yellorulez=free.fr@mailman.xmission.com] De la part de organism@hydrophilus.com Envoyé : jeudi 6 octobre 2005 16:42 À : iCan't iBelieve iT! Objet : [Yello] Of Course I'm Flying - Essential Video Klonk Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:34:12 +0200 veschprigt mroktar "Jonas" <zetterman@home.se> [re: Re: [Yello] Of Course I'm Lying - Essential Video]:
can´t see anything, just a blank screen. I hear the music luckily Tried with Realplayer10, Real alternative, Mplayer and Quicktime. All of these are the latest.
I have to say, for the first time yet, this latest post is from /my/ viewing experience almost completely flawless. Not one single visual artifact - no fuscia blobbing, no artifacty squaroids. The only negative thing I experienced was a couple of points of frame-dropping, caused by who-knows-what. I have to say, despite your unfortunate experience, iKamm has finally iFigured something out. My guess is that he's actually taking some time to render his compressions instead of trying to bust them out very fast - and any compressor knows, a slow "careful" compression yields better results than a hasty one. It's always been a trade off between wanting a good compression and wanting a compression done now. iKamm clearly believed that the new power he had gotten from the Ori was without flaw, and as such thought that he could crank out these videos with great dispatch and without any care for quality control. Whoops. Guess the Ori aren't as all powerful as you thought, eh Kammy? The only problems that remain are that )1) iKamm's too stinking proud and iTarded to admit that his "older" compressions lick donkey balls, and need a good scrapping and re-doing, and )2) some people, like you, for unknown reasons, still are having problems resultant from his stupidly belligerent use of this mostly bleeding edge codec that offers no appreciable benefit from others more proven and more widely useful. Best just bleat along with the rest - Hallowed are the Ori - or our benevolent Prior will smite his staff into the ground and unleash untold unholy havoc upon thee, unbeliever. Here's an output report from iKamm's latest. I don't know it it will help you with any googling.... nevertheless, I wish you great success on your quest. Not to slather salt, but this really is FMPOV one of Yello's best ever. And [ouch!] one of [ow!] iKamm's [ay!] best too [hurk... ohhh, that hurts....]. Cache fill: 0.00% (0 bytes) ISO: File Type Major Brand: Original QuickTime QuickTime/MOV file format detected. -------------- MOV track #0: 1501 chunks, 11839 samples Audio bits: 16 chans: 2 rate: 48000 Audio extra header: len=91 fcc=0x77617665 MOV: Found MPEG4 audio Elementary Stream Descriptor atom (51)! Fourcc: mp4a -------------- MOV track #1: 1011 chunks, 7559 samples MOV: Found unknown movie atom colr (18)! MOV: AVC decoder configuration record atom (43)! Image size: 480 x 360 (24 bpp) Display size: 480 x 360 Fourcc: avc1 Codec: 'H.264' -------------- MOV: longest streams: A: #0 (11839 samples) V: #1 (7559 samples) VIDEO: [avc1] 480x360 24bpp 30.000 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) ========================================================================== Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000) Selected audio codec: [faad] afm:faad (FAAD AAC (MPEG2/MPEG4 Audio) decoder) ========================================================================== Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm:ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264) ========================================================================== --gcr _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
Best video, you really feel Dieter as tried to make a child storybook come to life One of my favourite Yello songs too, the Billy "ooooo's" at the start always send a chill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Kamm" <kammagic@comcast.net> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: [Yello] Of Course I'm Lying - Essential Video
Newly Posted!
Of Course I'm Lying http://homepage.mac.com/jonathankamm/OfCourseImLying-Essential.mov
More videos here: http://julzdesign.com/yelloforum/viewforum.php?f=8
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