Glen, You need to stop posting on the mailing list. Its over. I feel it's stealing. I feel music is their property. There fore the definition backs me up. Backs up the way I feel. Will it hold up in court? Of course not we are not in court. We are just discussing how we feel. Many people feel the way I do. Many feel the way you do. It's not right or wrong to think either way. Your not going to change the way I feel. So there is no need for you to continue. I have a friend who arrived in Berlin today. They saw a Touch Yello poster outside the Kino. Pretty exciting.
Kino - I wish I could be there with you all, but hope that all of this bickering won't scorn the thrill and awe. I look forward to the pictures and videos. --- On Mon, 9/28/09, Jon Kamm <kammagic@comcast.net> wrote: From: Jon Kamm <kammagic@comcast.net> Subject: [Yello] Dear Glen To: yello@mailman.xmission.com Date: Monday, September 28, 2009, 7:30 PM Glen, You need to stop posting on the mailing list. Its over. I feel it's stealing. I feel music is their property. There fore the definition backs me up. Backs up the way I feel. Will it hold up in court? Of course not we are not in court. We are just discussing how we feel. Many people feel the way I do. Many feel the way you do. It's not right or wrong to think either way. Your not going to change the way I feel. So there is no need for you to continue. I have a friend who arrived in Berlin today. They saw a Touch Yello poster outside the Kino. Pretty exciting. _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com
iPrior iKamm You need to stop posting on the mailing list. It's over. You clearly feel that you are in charge of this list, and you're not. You obviously feel that your personal feelings supersede and supplant established dictionary and legal definitions. The following arguments are the most bat-shit crazy things I have heard in a week, and mind you, that's saying something given the line of work I am in. "I feel music is their property. There fore the definition backs me up." "Will it hold up in court? Of course not we are not in court." I feel that you owe me five thousand dollars. Therefore, the statement is true.
We are just discussing how we feel. YOU are discussing how you feel /now/, but just a few threadnodes back, you were making statements as if by fact.
Many people feel the way I do. Many feel the way you do. It's not right or wrong to think either way. Which is *precisely* why Glen & everyone else on this list will continue to post and say just exactly what they want without checking in with you first.
Your not going to change the way I feel. So there is no need for you to continue.
YOU aren't going to change established dictionary and legal definitions based on the way you feel, cry all you want. You're not going to change the way Glen or me or anyone else feels, so there is no need for YOU to continue. I recommend trying your own "logic" on for size before you try serving it up for public consumption. --gcr
I think we should see what Dieter himself thinks about this topic. The following transcript is from The Strellson Magazine No 1 interview - http://www.strellson.com/magazin-n1/magazin.html "What do you think of download piracy? Meier: We've had all that before. People thought music cassettes were going to wreck the industri. It wasn't true at all - it was a wonderful method of disseminating music. The music industry will go bust because of its own stupidy, not because of downloads. It's a reactionary industry that's stopped developing emerging artist. If a band like YELLO were to appear today, it wouldn't happen through this media. The industry is broken down, corrupt and rotten to the core." True words of wisdom from the great Dieter Meier! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Kamm" <kammagic@comcast.net> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: [Yello] Dear Glen
Glen, You need to stop posting on the mailing list. Its over. I feel it's stealing. I feel music is their property. There fore the definition backs me up. Backs up the way I feel. Will it hold up in court? Of course not we are not in court. We are just discussing how we feel. Many people feel the way I do. Many feel the way you do. It's not right or wrong to think either way. Your not going to change the way I feel. So there is no need for you to continue.
I have a friend who arrived in Berlin today. They saw a Touch Yello poster outside the Kino. Pretty exciting.
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Klonk Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:33:38 +0200 veschprigt mroktar "Per Lindgren" <yello909@telia.com> [re: Re: [Yello] Dear Glen]:
I think we should see what Dieter himself thinks about this topic. The following transcript is from The Strellson Magazine No 1 interview - http://www.strellson.com/magazin-n1/magazin.html
Somewhere in Illinois, there is an anguished cry of despair and a wet **popping** sound as iKamm's head explodes trying to reconcile his feelings vs. Dieter's statement. Thanks Per. THAT was magic! --gcr
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Kamm" <kammagic@comcast.net>
You need to stop posting on the mailing list. Its over. I feel it's stealing. I feel music is their property. There fore the definition backs me up. Backs up the way I feel.
I have no idea what this means. However, I have nothing against your feelings. Feel away. I just dont want you to try to establish something as fact or law when it isnt. If you want to argue, know what you are talking about. I work in the music and media biz and have studied the internet, copyright law and music fans for 11 years. I face downloading and illegal downloading every day. I run two record companies. I also run the Bootlegtalk list for copyright discussions. If you want to educate yourself on the topic, feel free to join. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Lindgren" <yello909@telia.com>
Meier: We've had all that before. People thought music cassettes were going to wreck the industri. It wasn't true at all - it was a wonderful method of disseminating music. The music industry will go bust because of its own stupidy, not because of downloads. It's a reactionary industry that's stopped developing emerging artist.
Wow. I am going to bootleg all his CDs now! LOL Actually, I already own most of them. Yello is one of the few artists I have always followed since I started listening to music, because they are consistently good. I am not their biggest fan but I have a great deal of respect for them. They're really good artists, not just someone who works for survival and happen to be talented. Greetings from Glenn Folkvord Chief editor http://www.PlanetOrigo.com http://twitter.com/planetorigo Sci-fi movies | Electronic music
From: "Per Lindgren" <yello909@telia.com>
Meier: We've had all that before. People thought music cassettes were going to wreck the industri. It wasn't true at all - it was a wonderful method of disseminating music. The music industry will go bust because of its own stupidy, not because of downloads. It's a reactionary industry that's stopped developing emerging artist.
A mostly honest guy like me feels a bit guilty when downloading songs from the Internet. But, on the other hand, I also think that the record companies deserve this. Ever since bands like New Kids on the Block, the industry has only been trying to maximise profits - the artistic side has no significance in the decision making process anymore. The managers of the big companies could just as well be selling shoes. So in a way I feel that the big companies (not the little ones) deserve these problems. Even if they do badly, popular music as an art form might actually do better. That thought helps my conscience quite a bit. If the well-marketed people who can't even sing, like the idols-winners, disappear from the market with the big record companies, the really good and hard-working bands that take their art seriously have more room, not less, in the market. Jussi
Klonk Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:01:49 +0300 veschprigt mroktar Jussi Salmi <jussalmi@utu.fi> [re: Re: [Yello] Dear Glen]:
From: "Per Lindgren" <yello909@telia.com> Meier: We've had all that before. People thought music cassettes were going to wreck the industri. It wasn't true at all - it was a wonderful method of disseminating music. The music industry will go bust because of its own stupidy, not because of downloads. It's a reactionary industry that's stopped developing emerging artist.
Here's the other fact that isn't in any way unique to me: I have spent THOUSANDS of dollars on music that I would have otherwise not spent as a DIRECT result of having been exposed to new art via t3h Internets. These Eeeeevil Internets have made artwork more accessible in a way that seems ludicrous to even try and describe. "Order of magnitude" springs to mind. Instead of having to depend on the whimsies of local retailers, bless their souls and may their businesses rest in peace, I now can shop the world - and most importantly to me - I can increasingly and with delight purchase directly from the artist - thereby *actually supporting the artist* instead of supporting some greedy fat suits at Megacorporate Music, Inc. More and more artists are promoting their own work instead of having to sign their lives away to said fat suits. All because of t3h Internets! In precisely the same way that portrait artists were effectively put out of business by the mass marketing of the personal camera, the music industry as we knew it is dead. The only difference is that we didn't see a row of lawsuits like "Old-Timey Fathersons Fancy Real-Paint Portrait Business vs. Eastman Kodak Company". But I am guessing that's only because iKamm wasn't born yet. -gcr
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Per Lindgren