Is there any news about the FTP site? Can we help, prepare anything? I am really curious and desperately waiting. I still remember the FTP site, which was out there quite a while ago, I think it was yello.dhs.org or something like that. The ftp/web-site had quite a lot of rare yello tracks, but also regular yello albums. The description of the rare tracks was rather poor, there were duplicates, bad quality tracks, wrong names, etc. It would make sense to have somebody help here who has both yello knowledge AND time to manage the track listing(s). Any comments/feedback? Franz -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!
The description of the rare tracks was rather poor, there were duplicates, bad quality tracks, wrong names, etc. It would make sense to have somebody help here who has both yello knowledge AND time to manage the track listing(s).
Any comments/feedback?
When the new site opens one thing that can be done is that it divided into two areas. One area can be for all the odd, lose tracks found on Napster/KaZaA/whatever, which a likely to be misnamed and of average quality at best. The other area can be reserved for uploads from people who actually have original copies. These uploads should be of a good quality (OggVorbis Quality 7 and above, for example), and have proper descriptions, either in the file name, the ID3 tag or in a separate Text file uploaded at the same time and with the same filename as the audio file (except for the extension.) For example: I own "Of Course I'm Lying (The Ultimate Collector's Edition)". I would upload the following files into a directory called "Of Course I'm Lying (The Ultimate Collector's Edition)": 1.1 - Of Course I'm Lying.ogg 1.2 - Oh Yeah (Dance Mix).ogg 1.3 - The Yello Metropolitan Mixdown 1989 (Part I).ogg 2.1 - (The Truth Is) Of Course I'm Lying.ogg 2.2 - Bostich.ogg 2.3 - The Yello Metropolitan Mixdown 1989 (Part II).ogg Of Course I'm Lying (The Ultimate Collector's Edition).txt Of Course I'm Lying (The Ultimate Collector's Edition).jpg Each OGG file would have all the description fields filled in. But in addition the TXT file would have additional notes about the discs (there are two in the boxed set) such as catalogue numbers, etc. The JPG file is a scan of the cover. (I would probably upload three JPG files actually, one of the box and one of each CD cover.) How does that sound to everyone? Totally over the top? Well, it's how I store my own collection! Michael
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When the new site opens one thing that can be done is that it divided into two areas. One area can be for all the odd, lose tracks found on Napster/KaZaA/whatever, which a likely to be misnamed and of average quality at best.
Exactly what I was thinking of. :) A directory listing of the FTP server would look something along the lines of: OGG MP3 Upload Under each, there would be a Low_Quality and High_Quality directory, with a No_Description directory for the files that have no info about them either in the ID or a seperate TXT file: OGG Low_Quality No_Descriptions High_Quality No_Descriptions MP3 Low_Quality No_Descriptions High_Quality No_Descriptions Upload
The other area can be reserved for uploads from people who actually have original copies. These uploads should be of a good quality (OggVorbis Quality 7 and above, for example), and have proper descriptions, either in the file name, the ID3 tag or in a separate Text file uploaded at the same time and with the same filename as the audio file (except for the extension.)
I've been thinking of keeping the uploads restricted to the upload directory, and to make the directory unlistable so no one can see what has been uploaded before I can personally check them out. This will help keep any viri, Trojans, and warez from being downloaded by you, and to add some "quality assurance" so the files can be listened to and checked for proper ID tags and/or TXT files before being placed into their respective folders. I'm willing to do _some_ work on ID tags, but I don't want to make it a full-time job. ;) I'll be putting what MP3s I do have in my collection on the server to get everyone started downloading. :) That is one of the things that is taking so long to get this server "released", besides security measures and adding plenty of HD space, as I have to examine and listen to every file I have and sort them out better. Right now all of the tracks are grouped by album, and I've found duplicates or incorrectly-labeled tracks. Besides, it gives you all a chance to clean out and sort your own collections. :) If any of you can think of a better directory layout, please post up here. Do NOT send to my email address that I use for the Mailing List as it gets spammed regularly, so I'm afraid I may lose your email among the spam. "No more words, that's my game. I know you'll get it all the same." :)
[ A directory listing of the FTP server would look something along [ the lines of: [ [ OGG [ MP3 [ Upload I suggest that you lose the OGG and MP3 directories, and just have: pub incoming My assumption is that the extension (.ogg or .mp3) is enough to tell the difference between the formats. Perhaps you should require that files be renamed if they don't already have an extension. I realize that Mac OS can handle files without an extension and still properly determine the format, but this requires MacBin packaging to preserve the creator type, and then the files become awkward on PC and Unix systems. I use Mac OS X, which is happier with the Unix file extension mechanism. Another thing to consider is that most of us should be able to play *both* OGG and MP3, so it will be more convenient to see all songs in one place. Then, if there is an MP3-only song, or an OGG-only song, we will see it without looking in two places. The only disadvantage is that it won't be very useful to download *all* files in a directory because there will be duplicates which vary only in format (and subjective quality). [ Under each, there would be a Low_Quality and High_Quality directory, with a [ No_Description directory for the files that have no info about them either [ in the ID or a seperate TXT file: [ OGG [ Low_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ High_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ MP3 [ Low_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ High_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ Upload I like the idea of sorting things into Low_Quality and High_Quality. I'm iffy about the No_Descriptions subdirectory, but I don't see any harm in letting people know before they download that those files are basically unidentified. One idea is to collapse the Low and High Quality directories and use naming conventions. song1.L.mp3 would be equivalent to MP3/Low_Quality/song1, and song2.H.ogg would be like OGG/High_Quality/song2 - again, my idea here is to allow users to see at a glance what is available. It's very nice to know the quality before download, but if there is only a low quality version of the song, I'll probably download it even though I prefer high quality for all other songs that are available in both qualities. An added bonus is that if you don't have time to evaluate the quality, you can leave out the .H. or .L. part of the name. That effectively makes the quality unrated. You can later go back and rename the file on the ftp server once you have time to listen with a careful ear. You also mentioned organizing songs by album, and I really like this. DO we want to establish a rule that song titles should begin with two numeric digits so they will sort in the directory listings in the same order they appear on the CD or album? We're probably going to have very long file names! :-) [ If any of you can think of a better directory layout, please post [ up here. I'm borrowing ideas from other ftp collections. For example, the NeXT archives had programs in source and/or binary format, where each had support for between one and four processor platforms (binaries). The file name used individual characters to indicate the presence of each. 's' was source, 'b' was binary, then 'M', 'I', 'H', and 'S' stood for Motorola 680x0, Intel ix86, HP PA-RISC, and Sun SPARC. All files were tarred and compressed, and thus ended in .tar.gz, but the characters just before that indicated what could be found inside. With .ogg and .mp3 extensions instead of directories, we could support higher quality formats like .shn (full quality lossless compression) without adding another directory. With .L. and .H. in the name, we could later add a middle quality level by simply using .M. in the name. NOTE: You wouldn't need L and H for .shn, since it is full CD quality. However, I suppose it is possible for someone to make an 8-bit recording of vinyl (do people still use 8-bit?) and even with lossless .shn compression, that would still be low quality. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting P.S. .shn stands for "shorten" which is an open source lossless compression tool. I recently contributed to this open source project by adding support for AIFF (since the original only supported .WAV and raw sample files). Look on http://www.etree.org/ for pointers to the source and binaries for various platforms. It may be a while before the .shn GUI apps add support for AIFF, since those authors may not yet know of the new features in shorten 3.5.0
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I suggest that you lose the OGG and MP3 directories, and just have:
pub incoming
Ugg. You want me to make it look like a *nix listing, don't ya. ;) j/k! I try to keep my FTP servers as "clean" as possible when it comes to the directory listings, hence the thought of the MP3 and OOG directories right at the "root" of the server (More thoughts on this below).
Perhaps you should require that files be renamed if they don't already have an extension.
That would be tough to enforce, at least on the server side. If someone uploads a file and there is no extension, however, I could look at the file in a hex editor to determine the format. MP3s keep the IDv1 tags at the end and IDv2 at the beginning of the file. The first three bytes in OGG files begin with Ogg (4F 67 67H) and vorbis (76 6F 72 62 69 73H) at position 67H.
I use Mac OS X, which is happier with the Unix file extension mechanism.
I can't imagine why... ;)
if there is an MP3-only song, or an OGG-only song, we will see it without looking in two places.
Ahh! Good point. Didn't think about that. See below for another idea :)
The only disadvantage is that it won't be very useful to download *all* files in a directory because there will be duplicates which vary only in format (and subjective quality).
Hopefully people will realize this when it comes to selecting them. Some may just tell their FTP client to download the directory, without themselves looking inside that directory to see what's there. I also hope to "seed" the directories with albums that are known to be around, but no one has uploaded yet, (A Wish List, if you will. :) ), so the directory may be completely empty.
One idea is to collapse the Low and High Quality directories and use naming conventions. song1.L.mp3 would be equivalent to MP3/Low_Quality/song1, and song2.H.ogg would be like OGG/High_Quality/song2
That could become an administrative nightmare on my side. If someone ups 50 tracks in one sitting, I would not only have to listen to every track and check for ID tags, but also rename them before I would move them to the public folder. Renaming them at the command prompt using these wildcards does work: ren *.mp3 *.L.mp3 ren *.oog *.H.oog But I would have to seperate them into different folders first anyway before I could rename them. It may be possible as long as it doesn't become a heavy burdon. I could definitely use the help from you all when it comes to judging the quality. :)
An added bonus is that if you don't have time to evaluate the quality, you can leave out the .H. or .L. part of the name. That effectively makes the quality unrated. You can later go back and rename the file on the ftp server once you have time to listen with a careful ear.
Good point. Check them for viri, trojans, and the like. Then dump them into the public directories. :)
You also mentioned organizing songs by album, and I really like this.
OK. Instead of the OGG and MP3 directories, we could have, from the root: Albums Hands On Yello - The Updates CD1 CD2 Hands On La Habanera Jingle Bells (Mercury 852 487-1) Interviews Singles Motion Picture Squeeze Please (562 421-2) 01 - Squeeze Please (Orginal Radio Mix).mp3 02 - Squeeze Please (Sounds Of Life Radio Mix).mp3 03 - Squeeze Please (Sounds Of Life Dub Mix).mp3 04 - Squeeze Please (Sounds Of Life Club Mix).mp3 05 - Squeeze Please (Goldkind's Different Class Of Brass Mix).mp3 Squeeze Please (562 639-2) Videos Upload (The entries above are a small part of what I have in my personal collection.) Having the record label and the "part number" (not sure what it's actually called) of the record or CD could also help for those that already have a release. I can create more root directories as things progress. :)
DO we want to establish a rule that song titles should begin with two numeric digits
OH YEAH! ;) Enforcing, again, will be difficult.
I'm borrowing ideas from other ftp collections.
I would like to keep it K.I.S.S. as possible, for those that are not so savy with FTP. There's no need to see bin, pub, and dev directories to confuse the masses. :) I have another FTP server designed this way, and the users love it. :)
we could support higher quality formats like .shn
I've been dithering with the idea of allowing CD ISOs, but I don't know it that would cause too much legal problems. It looks like .shn images could also fall into that area (Thanks for the info, BTW. :) I didn't know about that format so I'll have to read up more on it).
With .L. and .H. in the name, we could later add a middle quality level by simply using .M. in the name.
That could be rather tough to determine. Would we all base it on just sample rate, sound quality, or both? What I would consider middle, others may consider it something else: Audiophile - Low Joe User - High
(do people still use 8-bit?)
Shudder at the thought!! :D All in all, you've got some great ideas there. Glad to see an audiophile in our midst. :) I had to stop becoming one because I can't afford the equipment anymore. :D Keep the ideas coming folks! Remember, this is YOUR FTP server. :)
Klonk Fri, 13 Dec 2002 21:23:18 -0500 veschprigt mroktar "J.R." <jr_bloodsworth@usa.net> [re: Re: [Yello] FTP site, organizing]: Idea for file convention: artist_album_track-number_title.[ogg-q or mp3-kbps].extension various-artist-album_track-number_artist_title.[ogg-q or mp3-kbps].extension
I could definitely use the help from you all when it comes to judging the quality. :) Can Do. I commit to volunteer.
Good point. Check them for viri, trojans, and the like. Then dump them into the public directories. :) Ah, mp3, shn, ogg, mpg, avi... none of these file formats are /capable/ of carrying code, let alone a virus. Akin to getting infected by a jpeg. Never gonna happen.
Hands On La Habanera Oooooh! Cain't wait ta git mah grubby mits on them there!
Having the record label and the "part number" (not sure what it's actually called) of the record or CD could also help for those that already have a release. I'm a big fan of "full" filenames.
OH YEAH! ;) Enforcing, again, will be difficult. I sit on a T1 [pretending to "work"] and consider myself to be attentive to detail, as it were. I am happy to volunteer my time to sorting and renaming and auditing.
That could be rather tough to determine. Would we all base it on just sample rate, sound quality, or both? What I would consider middle, others may consider it something else: So use numerical instead of subjective indicators, as in my above suggested filename format.
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Good point. Check them for viri, trojans, and the like. Then dump them into the public directories. :) Ah, mp3, shn, ogg, mpg, avi... none of these file formats are /capable/ of carrying code, let alone a virus. Akin to getting infected by a jpeg. Never gonna happen.
It doesn't mean that someone could rename the file type of an infected file and then upload the file, a virus could have infected a system before a file was uploaded, or someone tries to use the site as a dumping ground for warez and the like. Every file uploaded will be thoroughly inspected before it is put into the public areas. :)
Hands On La Habanera Oooooh! Cain't wait ta git mah grubby mits on them there!
I'm thinking of posting a complete list of all of the files I have on the server, once I get my collection sorted out. :) So you know, I will have to put a limit on the number of people connected at one time, so the line doesn't get saturated and everyone's download suffers. I also don't plan on enforcing uploads in order to download, like some other public FTP servers are run, unless it gets abused. An example of abuse in this case is if 20 people in a month's time just download without uploading anything. I'm hoping that everyone will be willing to share what they have, and not just "leach" off of the site. :) If a few of you don't have anything to offer, that's OK. We all start that way. :)
[ > Ah, mp3, shn, ogg, mpg, avi... none of these file formats are /capable/ [ > of carrying code, let alone a virus. Akin to getting infected by a jpeg. [ > Never gonna happen. [ [ It doesn't mean that someone could rename the file type of an [ infected file and then upload the file, a virus could have [ infected a system before a file was uploaded, or someone tries to [ use the site as a dumping ground for warez and the like. Every [ file uploaded will be thoroughly inspected before it is put into [ the public areas. :) If you load an audio file into a player and hear sound, I doubt there's any way a virus could be attached. So, the inspection wouldn't have to be terribly thorough - I'm sure you'll be listening to each file, or at least previewing a few seconds of the audio before moving them. If you're running Unix on your ftp server, I could whip up a program that scans files for each valid audio format, and reports on whether there are any extra chunks or segments attached which aren't useful. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting
From: J.R. <jr_bloodsworth@usa.net>
An example of abuse in this case is if 20 people in a month's time just download without uploading anything. I'm hoping that everyone will be willing to share what they have, and not just "leach" off of the site. :) If a few of you don't have anything to offer, that's OK. We all start that way. :)
I'm afraid I'm one of the people without much to give for the proposed FTP site. All of my Yello CD's are standard albums and the remix MP3's I have all came from well-established Yello fan sites (so I assume those will show up anyway). The general discussions about sound quality and file structure blows away my bit of knowledge. But I love Yello. Is there anything else I can do to contribute? -Bob
[ Idea for file convention: [ [ artist_album_track-number_title.[ogg-q or mp3-kbps].extension [ various-artist-album_track-number_artist_title.[ogg-q or [ mp3-kbps].extension Even though I suggested that we put MP3 and OGG in the filename rather than having a directory for each, I have to say the opposite for artist and album names. Artist should be a directory (we'll just have "Yello", right?), and each Album should be a subdirectory of the Artist. No matter what character you use to separate Artist, Album, and Title, I've found that there's always some song title that has that separator character in the actual title. So, it would just be: NN-title.{ogg,mp3,shn} i.e. the Track Number would always be two digits. This isn't much of a limitation since CD cannot handle more than 99 tracks, and I doubt vinyl can even get to 99. :-) The idea of OGG Quality and/or MP3 bit rate is possibly one we should go with. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting
Hi there, In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender. Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film. Does it ring a bell? Rene
Hi Ruhney, its me again, the man with the Cuba Video.... Do you mean this http://www.tcfilm.ch/saison_txt_e.htm film? Regards Oliver Hoffmann --On Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2002 14:47 +0100 Ruhney <t013463@tip.nl> wrote:
Hi there,
In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender.
Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film.
Does it ring a bell?
Rene
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Hey Olliver, hmm. I'm not sure. But reading the short transcript of the movie it suits Dieter in al extends. Rene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olli" <OH69@gmx.de> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender... Hi Ruhney, its me again, the man with the Cuba Video.... Do you mean this http://www.tcfilm.ch/saison_txt_e.htm film? Regards Oliver Hoffmann --On Sonntag, 15. Dezember 2002 14:47 +0100 Ruhney <t013463@tip.nl> wrote:
Hi there,
In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender.
Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film.
Does it ring a bell?
Rene
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Hi Rene, I can remember Dieter in a small role in a German TV-series TATORT. Dieter showed up as a bar owner. Maybe this is what you have in mind here. Actually I used this fact some years ago in an online chat on German MTV to verify Dieter's presence. It worked! Regards Franz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruhney" <t013463@tip.nl> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender...
Hi there,
In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender.
Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film.
Does it ring a bell?
Rene
Hello Franz, After reading Ollivers comment, I tried to find a description of the images I have in my mind where I see Dieter behind a bar... And the taste or feeling of that memory had a real Tatort presence. So I guess you've answered my question and we can be sure that it was a Tatort episode of which I saw the last few seconds... Cool! On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 09:08 AM, Franz Gall wrote:
Hi Rene, I can remember Dieter in a small role in a German TV-series TATORT. Dieter showed up as a bar owner. Maybe this is what you have in mind here.
Actually I used this fact some years ago in an online chat on German MTV to verify Dieter's presence. It worked!
Regards Franz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruhney" <t013463@tip.nl> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender...
Hi there,
In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender.
Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film.
Does it ring a bell?
Rene
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Hi Rene, I have asked the owner of http://www.tatort-fundus.de/ to help us about Dieter's role. Let's wait and see. Regards Franz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" <t013463@tip.nl> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender...2
Hello Franz,
After reading Ollivers comment, I tried to find a description of the images I have in my mind where I see Dieter behind a bar...
And the taste or feeling of that memory had a real Tatort presence.
So I guess you've answered my question and we can be sure that it was a Tatort episode of which I saw the last few seconds...
Cool!
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 09:08 AM, Franz Gall wrote:
Hi Rene, I can remember Dieter in a small role in a German TV-series TATORT. Dieter showed up as a bar owner. Maybe this is what you have in mind here.
Actually I used this fact some years ago in an online chat on German MTV to verify Dieter's presence. It worked!
Regards Franz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruhney" <t013463@tip.nl> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender...
Hi there,
In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender.
Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film.
Does it ring a bell?
Rene
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Hi Rene & Franz There was a swiss movie from the mid 80's called "Leo Sonnyboy" where Dieter played an owner of a nightclub. Of course they played always Yello music in the bar-scenes. I found the original VHS years ago. If anybody is interested I could make some MPEGs from the Dieter scenes, but it is only german and not very interesting for Yello fans. Also the music in the background is only taken from Stella/One Secound. Ciao, Georg Franz Gall schrieb:
Hi Rene, I have asked the owner of http://www.tatort-fundus.de/ to help us about Dieter's role. Let's wait and see. Regards Franz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene" <t013463@tip.nl> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender...2
Hello Franz,
After reading Ollivers comment, I tried to find a description of the images I have in my mind where I see Dieter behind a bar...
And the taste or feeling of that memory had a real Tatort presence.
So I guess you've answered my question and we can be sure that it was a Tatort episode of which I saw the last few seconds...
Cool!
On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 09:08 AM, Franz Gall wrote:
Hi Rene, I can remember Dieter in a small role in a German TV-series TATORT. Dieter showed up as a bar owner. Maybe this is what you have in mind here.
Actually I used this fact some years ago in an online chat on German MTV to verify Dieter's presence. It worked!
Regards Franz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruhney" <t013463@tip.nl> To: <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [Yello] Dieter as a bartender...
Hi there,
In addition to my words about Yello on Cuba, I remembered that I once saw a movie on German TV, where Dieter played a part as a bartender.
Unfortunatly I only saw about the last minute of the film.
Does it ring a bell?
Rene
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Any one know a good app for extracting video or audio from DVD for OS X? FYI ... There is a OGG plug in for iTunes came out not to long ago On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 07:38 PM, Brian Willoughby wrote:
[ A directory listing of the FTP server would look something along [ the lines of: [ [ OGG [ MP3 [ Upload
I suggest that you lose the OGG and MP3 directories, and just have:
pub incoming
My assumption is that the extension (.ogg or .mp3) is enough to tell the difference between the formats. Perhaps you should require that files be renamed if they don't already have an extension. I realize that Mac OS can handle files without an extension and still properly determine the format, but this requires MacBin packaging to preserve the creator type, and then the files become awkward on PC and Unix systems. I use Mac OS X, which is happier with the Unix file extension mechanism.
Another thing to consider is that most of us should be able to play *both* OGG and MP3, so it will be more convenient to see all songs in one place. Then, if there is an MP3-only song, or an OGG-only song, we will see it without looking in two places. The only disadvantage is that it won't be very useful to download *all* files in a directory because there will be duplicates which vary only in format (and subjective quality).
[ Under each, there would be a Low_Quality and High_Quality directory, with a [ No_Description directory for the files that have no info about them either [ in the ID or a seperate TXT file: [ OGG [ Low_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ High_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ MP3 [ Low_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ High_Quality [ No_Descriptions [ Upload
I like the idea of sorting things into Low_Quality and High_Quality. I'm iffy about the No_Descriptions subdirectory, but I don't see any harm in letting people know before they download that those files are basically unidentified.
One idea is to collapse the Low and High Quality directories and use naming conventions. song1.L.mp3 would be equivalent to MP3/Low_Quality/song1, and song2.H.ogg would be like OGG/High_Quality/song2 - again, my idea here is to allow users to see at a glance what is available. It's very nice to know the quality before download, but if there is only a low quality version of the song, I'll probably download it even though I prefer high quality for all other songs that are available in both qualities.
An added bonus is that if you don't have time to evaluate the quality, you can leave out the .H. or .L. part of the name. That effectively makes the quality unrated. You can later go back and rename the file on the ftp server once you have time to listen with a careful ear.
You also mentioned organizing songs by album, and I really like this. DO we want to establish a rule that song titles should begin with two numeric digits so they will sort in the directory listings in the same order they appear on the CD or album? We're probably going to have very long file names! :-)
[ If any of you can think of a better directory layout, please post [ up here.
I'm borrowing ideas from other ftp collections. For example, the NeXT archives had programs in source and/or binary format, where each had support for between one and four processor platforms (binaries). The file name used individual characters to indicate the presence of each. 's' was source, 'b' was binary, then 'M', 'I', 'H', and 'S' stood for Motorola 680x0, Intel ix86, HP PA-RISC, and Sun SPARC. All files were tarred and compressed, and thus ended in .tar.gz, but the characters just before that indicated what could be found inside.
With .ogg and .mp3 extensions instead of directories, we could support higher quality formats like .shn (full quality lossless compression) without adding another directory. With .L. and .H. in the name, we could later add a middle quality level by simply using .M. in the name.
NOTE: You wouldn't need L and H for .shn, since it is full CD quality. However, I suppose it is possible for someone to make an 8-bit recording of vinyl (do people still use 8-bit?) and even with lossless .shn compression, that would still be low quality.
Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting
P.S. .shn stands for "shorten" which is an open source lossless compression tool. I recently contributed to this open source project by adding support for AIFF (since the original only supported .WAV and raw sample files). Look on http://www.etree.org/ for pointers to the source and binaries for various platforms. It may be a while before the .shn GUI apps add support for AIFF, since those authors may not yet know of the new features in shorten 3.5.0
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