Well actually, Jon, you sort of suggested that we get back to Yello, but it seems like people having finished their opinions on the subject. There has been a lot of discussion about the issue of DRM on this topic, but very little comment on the ethics of Sony for barging their way into our computers. To me, that is the real issue - that a large company feels it can simply install whatever it wants on my computer without so much as telling me they are doing it, without so much as properly testing it so that hackers can't take advantage of it to break into my machine at a later date. And they definitely don't have my permission to go out to the web every time I play their disk so that they can "help me" by looking for other titles that I "might like to know about". Back in the old days, that kind of traffic could have cost me money and tied up my slow dialup connection. There are others using dialup today and they'll be experiencing some degradation because of this traffic, not to mention the extra load placed on the computer by yet another process running in the background. Etc. It's yet another example of how corporations' show they are responsible only to the shareholders and don't give a damn about their customers; many customers (by far the maojority, I'd guess) don't know how to dupe their CDs and couldn't care less about it. Yet they are suffering the same medicine that Sony is trying to protect itself against. I've always been the one who hates it when the teacher punishes the whole class because one bully ruins it by doing something wrong. This is the same thing on a global scale. I know you think I'm crazy, but I ask you all the same: do you support this kind of anti-social behaviour of corporations like Sony? I go bananas every time I hear this kind of news. Some albums are so great that I have to buy them just to hear their rhythms divine. But I'll probably stop playing them in my computer. But I'll keep fighting against this kind of injustice by using alternative media like PODCASTING; take me back into the ring tonight! I wouldn't advocate theft because I don't want my life to be in a serious mess. So I always buy. But it's like the corporations, loyal to the shareholders and not to the musicians or the public are saying "No looking to the right", "No looking to the left", just do it, do it. But I'm going on and on, just on and on. So I'll stop there. Did somebody say something about getting back to Yello? ------------------------------------------------------ OK I thought this was over but apparently not. You guys are making way to much out of this. I originally said that buying and selling used music on eBay can be looked at as stealing. I was asked how and I explained under what circumstances it could be looked at as stealing. I never said everyone on eBay selling used music is in fact stealing. Just said it could be done. Just making an observation. I think the whole point is that it is very hard to control the stealing of music because it can be copied so easily. I am not blaming anyone or accusing anyone I am just saying that it is being done. What can the record and music companies do about it? I don't know. Thats why they are trying these crazythings like Sony is doing. They are trying to come up with a solution. If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there. Lets get back to Yello please. Thank You