Hello again (I have been sending a mail to this list everyday since I submitted, I think)! I think an FTP server is a good idea, indeed. But ofcourse it needs security and it's very important that this is for the mailinglist only (as you said)! There is many songs that are almost impossible to get in the "usual" way (Resistor Live at MayDay for example), so an FTP server would be good if we have something that we would like to share with the other members. Are you talking about only Yello stuff or other things as well? I say we should only have Yello stuff. It is also a good idea to ask Yello abou this, yes. By the way, how cool that it was another norwegian Yello fan here. I didn't imagine that! Chris
le 13/09/02 08:57, The Warlock à warlock@seste.net a écrit : Hello again (I have been sending a mail to this list everyday since I submitted, I think)! I think an FTP server is a good idea, indeed. But ofcourse it needs security and it's very important that this is for the mailinglist only (as you said)! There is many songs that are almost impossible to get in the "usual" way (Resistor Live at MayDay for example), so an FTP server would be good if we have something that we would like to share with the other members. Are you talking about only Yello stuff or other things as well? I say we should only have Yello stuff. It is also a good idea to ask Yello abou this, yes. By the way, how cool that it was another norwegian Yello fan here. I didn't imagine that! Chris I agree with your point of view. -- Paul Cauffopé
It is also a good idea to ask Yello about this, yes.
Two things, 1) How do you plan to "ask Yello"? A letter or e-mail to their record label is probably only going to get as far as a secretary, and it will be handed straight to the lawyers, not to Boris and Dieter. 2) Do you honestly expect anyone associated with Yello, or even Boris or Dieter, to say "Sure, put some of our copyright material on a web site, we don't mind!" *We* are able to look at things in shades of grey. We can make a decision that if we create a fan FTP site it will have limited access to true fans who have probably spent a large amount of money on Yello stuff already, and who would probably still shell out the bucks to buy a second hand single if it came their way, regardless of if they had already grabbed an MP3 copy, and that the FTP site will be limited to rare and out-of-print items. Don't expect any lawyers or other professional representatives of Yello to even think for a split second before saying "No" to the idea, because as far as they will be concerned they will just be opening the flood gates. I mean, if you *really* wanted to get permission from Yello you'd have to individually list every rare track that you planned to put on the site and probably what quality you were going to encode it at too, for them to really be able to make a decision. I'm a member of a number of other mailing lists that have struggled with the same issues. Yello is not the only group that does not have all their back-catalogue in print. (The situation is even worse on the KLF mailing list since the *entire* back-catalogue was many years ago, at least in the UK and Europe.) If you want to have a FTP site so you can share some rare MP3 files (and I do support such an idea, and can actually provide a few rare tracks myself) then just go ahead an do it. We'll be doing something illegal by the letter of the law, but so long as it is done in a way that is morally right (that is, it doesn't deprive Yello of any money, etc.) then I think we should all feel comfortable doing it. But trying to seek permission first is madness. Michael
Klonk Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:30:43 +0100 veschprigt mroktar "Thug" <thug5@optusnet.com.au> [re: RE: [Yello] RE: FTP Server]:
A letter or e-mail to their record label is probably only going to get as far as a secretary, and it will be handed straight to the lawyers, not to Boris and Dieter. That's the unbuttered truth.
We'll be doing something illegal by the letter of the law... That is debatable; not absolute.
... but so long as it is done in a way that is morally right ... then I think we should all feel comfortable doing it. But trying to seek permission first is madness. I concur. I vote for the creation and management of an FTP server after the manner suggested by jr_bloodsworth.
And I have some rarish stuff - mostly vinyl xfers - that can be uploaded. I hope that we can expect that there will be a quality threshhold for material posted to this server. Downloading an emptythree that had underruns in the rip or was compressed with the Xing encoder at 96KBPS on someone's p133 with 24MB RAM that was meanwhile busy surfing for Britney Spears wallpapers with MSIE is not what I call worth my time. If we could just go ahead and have an agreement to adhere to a certain standard, that would be greeaaaaat. -: ghost_crab :- western united states of America "The actions of the President do not necessarily reflect the desires of the People he professes to represent"
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I concur. I vote for the creation and management of an FTP server after the manner suggested by jr_bloodsworth.
Vote counted. ;) See, somethimes it does make a diffence to vote. :D
And I have some rarish stuff - mostly vinyl xfers - that can be uploaded. I hope that we can expect that there will be a quality threshhold for material posted to this server. Downloading an emptythree that had underruns in the rip or was compressed with the Xing encoder at 96KBPS on someone's p133 with 24MB RAM that was meanwhile busy surfing for Britney Spears wallpapers with MSIE is not what I call worth my time.
All MP3s will be checked before being available to the public. I'm going through my collection and weeding out the really bad or cut short versions. The highest quality, the better. MONO music recordings will also be rejected, unless it was the only way the piece was released. I do understand that some recordings from vinyl will not sound very good (I have one or two), but if it is the only copy left in existance, then we'll have to live with it. I don't want to alter any of the files musicly, but I do want to stress about entering the ID3v2 data in the MP3s so we have some details about the music we're listening to. Having a quality collection will be so worth it in the end. Pictures also will be looked at for quality. If it looks really bad, it won't be submitted to the public side of the server. If it's questionable, then something at the end of the filename will indicate as such. BTW: Yes, I realize the amount of work involved with maintaining this. I think I enjoy YELLO a little too much. :-D ;-)
If we could just go ahead and have an agreement to adhere to a certain standard, that would be greeaaaaat.
Everything is being documented and will be most likely published on a web site. I'm also thinking that in order to get an account, you will have had to post in this list at least once in the history of this list. I have most of the original e-mails, plus I could search through the archives to verify this. I'm still tinkering around with some account access submissions (E-Mail only, Form on web page) Anyone with any ideas? Movieline - "My God, what have I done?" :-D
Hi all, This is maybe a little off-topic, but as it's come up as an issue now what with the FTP discussions... What is a good MP3 encoder to use? For my own personal MP3 collections (i.e. where I own the CD) I happily encode at 128kbps using Xing Audiocatalyst. I'm fully aware that this is hardly archival quality! Last time I did some serious ripping (a couple of years ago I guess) I used EAC with LAME encoding at 192kbps. Is this still a good combo to use? Would people want to go even higher in kbps for this site? Michael
Klonk Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:07:45 +0100 veschprigt mroktar "Thug" <thug5@optusnet.com.au> [re: [Yello] OT: Quality MP3s]:
What is a good MP3 encoder to use? For my own personal MP3 collections (i.e. where I own the CD) I happily encode at 128kbps using Xing Audiocatalyst. I'm fully aware that this is hardly archival quality! MP3 is closeware, and is not really free for encoding or decoding anymore.
http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html I suggest strongly the use of Ogg Vorbis instead, as it is open-source, free, and sounds better to boot! http://www.vorbis.com <-- There you will find all the linkage you need for both information and enc/dec software downloads for the platform of your choice. http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/openletter.html <-- Interesting and Entertaining! If you are totally stuck wanting to use MP3's, then your previously researched selection is still generally agreed to be among the best choices, to wit: ExactAudioCopy, Lame/Blade, >160kbps FBR
Would people want to go even higher [than 192] in kbps for this site? This might be prohibitive for modem users, but for those of us who care more about Q!, crank the kbps. Easy for me to say, sitting on a T1....
Also, I vote for not-just-rare-stuff, for the reasons outlined in this fine article: http://www.bricklin.com/recordsales.htm
Hi everybody, I've personnaly tested all way to encode MP3 before to do all albums of YELLO for my own archive, I'm the quality no.1 founder I think... The better way to encode MP3 for quality and optimum archival files is to use LAME encoder (http://mitiok.cjb.net/) with a small interface calles RazorLAME (http://www.dors.de/razorlame/) and use the bitrate coding between 160 and 192. That's the better way to have a CD near quality, believe me 128 kbps is just for "hear" music - no way to quality. Here is the command line : -b 160 -m j -h -V 0 -B 192 -k Please found a file you can import in RazorLAME to have the same options I use for all my encoded MP3. LAME is really the best and fastest way to make QUALITY MP3. Regards, GREG -----Message d'origine----- De : yello-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-admin@mailman.xmission.com] De la part de organism@hydrophilus.com Envoyé : vendredi 13 septembre 2002 21:39 À : yello@mailman.xmission.com Objet : Re: [Yello] OT: Quality MP3s Klonk Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:07:45 +0100 veschprigt mroktar "Thug" <thug5@optusnet.com.au> [re: [Yello] OT: Quality MP3s]:
What is a good MP3 encoder to use? For my own personal MP3 collections (i.e. where I own the CD) I happily encode at 128kbps using Xing Audiocatalyst. I'm fully aware that this is hardly archival quality! MP3 is closeware, and is not really free for encoding or decoding anymore.
http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/software.html I suggest strongly the use of Ogg Vorbis instead, as it is open-source, free, and sounds better to boot! http://www.vorbis.com <-- There you will find all the linkage you need for both information and enc/dec software downloads for the platform of your choice. http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/openletter.html <-- Interesting and Entertaining! If you are totally stuck wanting to use MP3's, then your previously researched selection is still generally agreed to be among the best choices, to wit: ExactAudioCopy, Lame/Blade, >160kbps FBR
Would people want to go even higher [than 192] in kbps for this site? This might be prohibitive for modem users, but for those of us who care more about Q!, crank the kbps. Easy for me to say, sitting on a T1....
Also, I vote for not-just-rare-stuff, for the reasons outlined in this fine article: http://www.bricklin.com/recordsales.htm _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello
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1) How do you plan to "ask Yello"? A letter or e-mail to their record label is probably only going to get as far as a secretary, and it will be handed straight to the lawyers, not to Boris and Dieter.
There are some here that frequent this list that know them personally. :-) Besides, who's to say that Boris or Dieter are not subscribed to this list? If they are: Hi! LOVE your music! Keep it up! I am a fan forever. :) You do make some good points, though. As long as we keep the lawyers out of this, a simple OK from them is all I ask. The world was so much simpler before the lawyers came into town (No offence intended to those here that are lawyers.) :)
By the way, how cool that it was another norwegian Yello fan here. I didn't imagine that!
Chris
I guess it's very pleasant to meet your compatriot among fellow fans? It's good cause to know each other. Good luck :-) Adelka A man sales coloured balloons. Some of them are under the table with the inscription "DEFECTIVE". Buyer. "Are the deffective balloons made out of defective rubber?" Salesman. "They're of the same rubber". Buyer. "Is there any difference between the defective and normal balloons?" Salesman. "No". Buyer. "So why are these balloons defective?!" Salesman. "They bring no joy".
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Are you talking about only Yello stuff or other things as well?
YELLO and YELLO related only, and it will be strictly enforced. Some examples of related material would be a rare remix that another DJ or artist did of a YELLO song, pictures of your favorite ReWatch (Dieter's business venture), etc. I think you get the idea. :)
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