Hi All, With Napster and equivalents down, I turned to Kazaa to search for some old Yello Material. No luck. A year two ago I found a mp3 of IT Splash or Gluehead (there were two identical tracks tagged with these names) But I lost the files.. :-) Furthermore I'd like to listen atleast once to material from Jetz und Alles. I've just been in the dungeons of my house to have another look at my Yello vinyl collection. And again I was surprised by the fact that I have the Picture LP containing an interview with Dieter. It's a super bad recording and to realy understand what our Visionair is saying I'll have to run it through SoundForge I guess... sigh. Another interesting thing is that I have two I Love You singles. Both identical, but one came with an official Promo Sheet for DJ's. And two maxi's of Lost Again (stiff Records 4-track, Phonogram Vertigo 3-track). The most horrible discovery was a yellow transparent disc with a total of six Bostich Remixes.... juck!! House f.ck ups. Next I stumbled on the Rhythm Devine Maxi, with the bonus: Tool in Rose. Which reminded me of my Will. When I'm dead, and the ceremony takes place, I want the first song to be played: Tool in Rose. And I hope I still have some time to think about the second song... My real treasure for no apperent reason remains the Let Me Cry maxi. I simply fell in love with the painted-cover and the song itself. Jonas has listed on his site the real rare material of Yello in the early days. And my humble question to all of you... Is there anyone out there who has those tracks, and would he or she be willing to share them with me. oh..... pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssseeeeeeeeee :-) Rene - Chevy Driver and Yello Addict.

[ >A year two ago I found a mp3 of IT Splash or Gluehead [ >(there were two identical tracks tagged with these names) [ >But I lost the files.. :-) [ I have a cleaned up, soundforge-ified, ripped by my own bad self [ straight from vinyl copy of I.T. Splash. You want WAV or -q 8 OGG? Any time you're thinking of WAV, you should use FLAC. It is a lossless compression format. It is named Free Lossless Audio Codec because it costs no money and has no licensing restrictions - its even available in hardware players. Why make your friends suffer through 3 or 4 times as long of a download when the exact same quality can be had for less. I realize this isn't part of most standard apps, but there are utilities for Mac, PC, and Unix - everywhere you'll need it. Search on google to find the download for your machine. I get the impression you put a lot of effort into cleaning up these vinyl recordings, so I would be interested in a FLAC. As for -q 8 OGG, sounds like a good choice for lossy compression - might as well keep as much quality as possible. Brian

[ Have you (or anyone else in this list for that matter) had any [ experience with Monkey's Audio (APE file extension) [ (http://www.monkeysaudio.com) ? It sounds like it's similar to [ FLAC (http://flac.sourceforge.net). I have certainly heard of Monkey's Audio ".ape" - but have never used it. My initial experience was with shorten ".shn" - it did not support AIFF, so I added that feature to the open source project. But I soon ran into shorten's limits, since I have a lot of 24-bit audio files which shorten does not support. FLAC proved to be much better, but it is only the second lossless format I have used. My initial research came up with a reasonably long list of options, including APE, SHN, and FLAC. When I first started, it was difficult to locate programs which supported these formats on BSD Unix or Mac OS X. Perhaps APE is PC-only? I don't remember. FLAC seems to be the best and most widespread. I understand that there are even car stereos and portable personal music devices which support FLAC. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting

I wanted to clarify a few points and basically add to the information provided by Patrick (thanks, Patrick!) [ Shn is used mainly for bootleg recordings (I'm not sure why) and [ if you look on the a.b.s.shn newsgroup, most of the material are [ bootlegs. It depends upon your definition of bootleg. Some people only use the term "bootleg" for illegal live recordings or even just illegal copies of official studio recordings. A more loose definition of "bootleg" is any independent recording that is not official. The etree.org site does not condone bootlegs. Their community of tapers record from bands who allow fans to do so, and at venues who allow this. I would not call this a bootleg, but it is an unofficial recording, even if it is legal. I have about 50 live recordings of Seattle bands. I do not consider myself a bootlegger. Like you, I have no idea why the taper community has not moved on to a better format. I guess it does all they need it to. I added features to Shorten which I needed, but eventually I needed way more than I had time to add. [ Flac is not that popular, by far the most popular format is .ape; [ if you look on the a.b.sounds.lossless/misc newsgroups, most of [ the material is encoded in .ape format. Lossless formats are [ approx. 50% of the size of the original .wav file Monkeys Audio may be more popular, but it is not available for the Mac. The source code is available, but since it includes assembly language and is organized into DLLs, I doubt it will be easy to make APE available for Unix or Mac. FLAC files are sometimes as small as 33% or 25% of the original. [ I'm not familiar what platforms all these codecs span, but a [ little research should answer any queries. I'm only familiar with [ a P/C setup, perhaps others can add to this about different [ platforms? In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with FLAC except its popularity. Since it is available for all platforms, is easily added to any audio player (I've done so), and it is being used in audio hardware devices, then I would like to see Yello songs available by ftp in the FLAC format. Using APE means I won't be able to listen! :-( [ EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is considered one of the most accurate [ software programs for ripping .wavs off your CD before encoding. Another popular program is cdparanoia, available as part of the cdrtools and cdrdao open source projects. I have not yet used any of these tools, but the idea is to repeatedly read sectors that might be bad until a perfect copy is obtained. This is a great idea for scratched CDs. These tools are not useful for copying one CD to another in real time - you have to save the CD image to disk - because any scratches on the source CD might slow down the copy too much and cause the burn to fail. But once you have the perfect/exact image on disk, you can burn as many copies as you want. You might even be able to fix a scratched CD this way! Well, it won't actually fix the original CD, but you'll have a backup that plays much better. [ Ripping vinyl from your turntable through your soundcard produces [ excellent quality .wav files as long as you have a quality [ turntable. You also need a high quality phono preamp, and perhaps additional audio gear to make an excellent quality recording. There are at least two major problems with using just your soundcard. First, any audio circuitry inside a computer will produce more digital noise in the recording than a standalone audio device which is shielded. Second, all vinyl is recorded with an RIAA equalization curve which makes the cutting lathe work better. The EQ cuts the bass so the needle won't be thrown out of the groove, and boosts the treble so that it will be louder than most of the noise on the record. When you play back a record through a phono preamp, the RIAA EQ curve boosts the bass back to the normal level, and cuts the highs to reduce the record surface noise without lowering the treble of the music below its original levels. I only know of a few recording applications which have the correct EQ when recording though your soundcard. Without RIAA EQ on playback, you lose a lot of bass, and the treble is too harsh (early CDs were considered too harsh, when in fact they were improperly made from vinyl masters that were not RIAA decoded). You can buy an external phono preamp to connect between the turntable and soundcard, but most of these little preamps add lots of analog noise. Even with the proper EQ, you still get some computer noise in the recording from a soundcard, although most people won't hear it without a very high powered stereo system. I use a ROTEL phono preamp, which has very low noise, and a DAT (Digital Audio Tape) deck to make a digital recording of my records. Once the audio is in digital format, without any computer noise, I copy the digital audio from the DAT to my computer over a digital link. This is the ultimate quality. But you still have to worry about worn needles and the accidental bump against the turntable while recording (so I always turn the speakers down low so the bass doesn't upset the turntable). Obviously, not everybody has a nice phono preamp and DAT. But you should at least document whether you used a phono preamp or software RIAA EQ when recording. If not, the RIAA EQ can be added later. Brian Willoughby Sound Consulting

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SPEECHING of FTP, if the formerly much-discussed FTP site is conceptually a thing of the past, I am getting pretty close to ready to open up my drives myself.

..... Looking for commentary on that.

It's not a thing of the past. :) I finally got approval of a new server (I'll be hosting it from work), so I'll be able to get the FTP server running for you all as soon as the new server is in place and I move the existing FTP server to the older server we are going to "retire". The existing FTP server has very little room on its HDs, and it's also isolated from the rest of the network for security reasons, so there is no way I can take advantage of space on other HDs in the other servers. That's been the biggest problem getting this sucker up-and-running for you all. I can't simply ask the higher-ups that I need another three 36 Gig HDs (RAID-5) just so I can host a Yello FTP server. :( Once I get it running with plenty of space, I will post what is needed to be done for you all to access it. Each one of you will have to apply for access, so everyone has their own username and password. Full details will be coming. Believe me, I've wanted to get this thing off the ground a long time ago. "No more words, that's my game. I know you'll get it all the same." -----=====<<<<<>>>>>=====----- J.R. from New York State, USA The Yello Pagez - http://www.geocities.com/jr_bloodsworth/yello.htm (Yea, I know. It's old as hell.) The updated Yello Desktop Sound Theme - http://www.geocities.com/jr_bloodsworth/yellowav.htm