HellO Rene mate You're a classic. Clever as. I have been fortunate enough to have installed a few Canopus DV Raptors, Matrox systems and the like, although I have never owned one. Do you run Avid yourself on those massive hard drives of yours? I have also played quite extensively with Avid, AE, Myriad, Premiere etc. but I have always - and I mean always ended up with massive sizes, assuming DV quality. The only way I could get a 3 min clip without any digital compositing or effects, to fewer than 100 mg was to run it through cleaner. And that had to be done on a AHEM... Mac. This would get me results similar to what you produced. It's been probably a year since I lasted set up a video system for someone. It was all based on real time editing and effects, I think it was a Matrox RT100? And also a Matrox DV500. They had break out boxes-mega cabling and were unbelievably fussy to set up on WXP pro. A year later the system is still purring along with over 2 GB ram and 2 GB (6 disk array) Hard Drives. It was an awesome system-cost an arm and a leg all up about 3500 EURO. But it wasn't mine. I'd love to have the gear you have. I've got all the bloody software I could ever want with nothing to run it. I suppose in an emergency I can capture Dv via my cheap laptop's cheap fire wire card at an alarmingly fast 6 hours for about 20-30 mins of footage. I captured a wedding 6 months ago in anticipation of editing it. It's still not done. You know why :-) I remember about 15 years or more, when I was working in an edit suite, they just got PC software for real time capture and NLE. I think of it now and it seriously wasn't as good as windows movie maker is today, the funny thing it cost nearly 100 000 EURO. You look at the majority of Yello's early and not so early videos and you can see a lot of what used to happen with NLE and loads of time with what can happen in an instant on the computer. I think the boys from Yello would have been in similar boats, albeit with the latest and greatest gear as soon as it came out. Surely being ultra rich like Dieter was/is should have earned him a few special little gems in the studio over the time. I wonder what they were? PaulO
Hi Paul, About Dieter... I read an article where they stated that Dieter was memebr of the board at a company that builds mixing consoles for video/film editing. He and the rest of the boardmembers injected 6 milion dolars into that company. That would give him some credit in the bussiness and will sure pay off with some goodies and wannahaves for us moddest vid-editors. The Video thing... I can read you've had your share in the video gear arena. Cool! In the photo-studio where I work there's sometimes a bunch of people that shoot commercials for toys. It looks so grotty and cheap, like it was ment for a whole different solarsystem, but these guys and galls have a machinery that makes me drule and go into a comatose state. A set of Canon DV camera's and Macs build in Filghtcases with flatscreens and what not. In theory their gear would support capturing their material and send it right away to their homebase by the internet or satelite. Increadible. Their gear equals a nice house in Spain along the cost with servants and a couple of flashy secondhand cars in the garage. And lets not forget the swimmingpool. Or a private live performance of Yello in the living room. - The Raptor card was my first encounter with Canopus! It came with the extra bay. The salesguy told me that the analog ins and outs could be used as capture ports... not!!! The where intentionaly ment for previewing. However with Virtual Dub and PICVIDEO MJPEG Codec I managed to turn the Raptor into a Full Analog Capture Device. I was proud once more. Later that week I got the ACDV 100 as a test case, and got mental over the quality (f.ing good) and the intollarance to my computer and software. It turned out that the Canopus drivers re-route the audio of DV directly to the PCI bus into the audio card. And this option messed things up. And would result in getting another PC with a High end audio card... I don't think so. So.. my solution, after some consult with Chris who already had the Movie Box a couple of days, I bought the Pinnacle Box. Satisfied on several fronts. It works, It works and it keeps on doing so. Something which is rare. Over the years (atleast 7) I've wroked with all the software you can think of (I think). Premiere made me loose my hair. But I'm unsure if this had something to do with the MIRO cards like DC20 and DC30. Occasionaly I was allowed to snif at Avid systems but never long enough to get the hang of it or give an opinion about it. And there was always this little bug that kept me away from seeing the real deal. Thinking back on it I had a serious problem working with A good Card and the Appropriate software. The combinations were always off. But I managed and finaly I turned back to my DC20 from Miro and got it working on a Athlon/Asus based PC with 512 mb and lot's of hardrive storage. Finaly after six to seven years I had the damn thing running as if it was the latest thing from Pinnacle/Miro. But the years took it's toll, and it's chips and what not are dying. There's a very anoying ghosting problem. An image is doubled but only faintly and only the darker parts. But still very vissible. Bugger. With all my connections I'm fortunate enough to lay my hands on interesting software. Discarded old versions with manuals and dongles or just for a couple of weeks to have a go with it. Pinnacle Studio is for those who just want to cut and paste their funniest home video of their pets and grandma's. But good enough for the my first sony experience and getting the hang of the oddities in Video Edit land. I found Avid Xpress a bit hard to understand. But that's only due to what one is used to. Premiere has been my choice in lack of other tools, and I use it like a toothbrush. Without having to think how to use it to get things done. Avid on the other hand has more to offer and has more knobs and thingies and makes me wanna run. But in time, with my new stable Capture Box, I'll spend more time with it and learn it like Premiere. As for online storage... I solved that by nicking an 80 gig 7200 rpm drive out of my power Mac and shove it into my PC. With and extra 60 gig 7200 rpm drive. And from time to time I take my PC to work and copy the projects onto the main server with all it's back up fascilities. My old dat-tape drive can't manage what I'm processing these days... :-) - Paul... if you are into video stuf, I mean privatly, then try to lay your hands on the Movie Box. It's about 299 euro's, and all you need is an descent Firewire card to make it work with Premiere, Studio or Avid. I'm a pro-Mac dude, but can't afford them. Or.. I have too many costly interest to set aside money to get one. That's why I did buy a PC crammed to the top with add-ons and kept it a secret to my mac arsenal at work :-) (Don't let 'm know... they'll tkae revenge and make me suffer.) It does the job at a lower expense and with some toe-nail biting at some occasions. And while the PC is processing data, my little bronze keyboard Power Book is purring on my lap while I surfe the net or play some silly game to keep the child within me silent, or I write yet another story where I live in a world that suits me like a glove. Hey... I could be wrong... but is the Matrox DV500 perhaps a clone or brother/sister from the Pinnacle DV500? Pinnacle is very bussy in taking over other companies or buying their inventions. They did the same with Miro who was one of the brands to go to for reasonable affordable gear like Monitors and video stuff. Now Pinnacle took over Dazzle. But even today it comes to the concept of designing and selling parts for others to build the casing around it. On the DC20 theres the Philips MJPEG chip, and I was not surprises to see it re-appear (well also a Philips chip) on the Canopus Raptor device. Sony decided to build the DV camera, and Sharp just bought a liscence to build 50% of it and design the rest themselves. Resulting in a Price difference of 400 Euro... hmmm... and plastic bits instead of alu-compounds like Sony uses. Rene
Hi folks, There is some times now that people on the mailing list isn't speaking about Yello anymore (or more or less) but just explaining what are their hobbies and favorite tools and what else ?! ... That's not it isn't interesting but I have several mails I can just trash EVERY DAYS because I have subscribe to the mailing list to speak about Yello and only about Yello and what is refering about them. Why don't people that want to speak about something else than Yello doesn't send mail directly to the person or make his own mailing list to speak about what he wants instead of making our mailbox fool ? I'm not that people who wants to target someone in particular but the fact is that this mailing list is to speak about Yello. What's your opinion ? GREG PS : someone knows now when the new album will be out ?
Greg, You're right and I blush... My only excuse is that I can't control myself when I get going on a subject. I'll try to better myself and keep your mailbox a bit ... ehr.. less full. Rene
I wasn't target you especially Rene, that's always interesting but the fact is that I have lot of mails about the mailing list I wan just trash because no interest about Yello but MP3 encoding, flowers and technical tools. I love to speak about that, but that's not the subject of this mailing list. I hope I'm not hurting you saying that :) GREG -----Message d'origine----- De : yello-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] De la part de Rene Envoyé : mardi 22 juillet 2003 19:33 À : The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful. Objet : Re: [Yello] The Yello Mailing List Greg, You're right and I blush... My only excuse is that I can't control myself when I get going on a subject. I'll try to better myself and keep your mailbox a bit ... ehr.. less full. Rene _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello
Oh Greg... You just ripped out my heart and stepped on it... (laughing with tears in my eyes ;-) Again, Greg, in a way you are right and I'll try to re-route my comments accordingly. It's just that my enthousiasme is connected to so may things and it shows in the diversity with which I sometimes bom the mailing list. If not this one than others. pas quil um sa? (or something like that) Rene ---- From: "VIALLE Grégory" <gvialle@evc.net> Subject: RE : [Yello] The Yello Mailing List I wasn't target you especially Rene, that's always interesting but the fact is .........tools. I love to speak about that, but that's not the subject of this mailing list. I hope I'm not hurting you saying that :) GREG
Greg, mon crasse de beure de banjol et une Chevrolet Beretta... Pardon my French. I'm not German, although, perhaps in my roots. I'm Dutch, a guy with wooden shoes, funny hat, and a bunch of Tulips in his hand, swinging from a Windmill on a Dyke, while listening to the music of Yello, scaring cows, and making the cheese smell even funnier. =/;-) Rene ----- Original Message ----- From: "VIALLE Grégory" <gvialle@evc.net> To: "'The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful.'" <yello@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: RE : [Yello] The Yello Mailing List "Parce qu'il aime ça !" Rene ;) No problem for my part Rene, nothing personal as I said... Only general ! By the way, you're German or ???
pas quil um sa? (or something like that)
Rene
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