Jon Kamm wrote:

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Let me explain: You can buy CDs used off eBay very cheap. Even new releases way below retail price. So the person selling them had to get them at below retail in order to make a profit. Now they are getting their money back + profit. Do you think they are sending little checks to the record companies and record producers?

Here I think you are just assuming things. The reseller can have bought his stuff from legal distribution channels, how can you know. The record companies cannot force you to sell CDs in real shops only. The ebay reseller will do his profit since he does not have expenses for a shop like rent, staff, etc. He could have also bought the goods cheap because he bought them used, the are a lot of real 2nd hand record shops. Absolutely legal and without problem. He might also be selling copies ... which is of course illegal

organism wrote: You could personally fuel an army with the river of bullshit you spew with *such* regularity. And so, by your logic, *nothing* could

ever be

sold used without the buyer or seller sending a "rights" check off to the original producer? Books? Cars? Movies? Furniture? Houses? Anything?

Dear organism If I buy a car, a house, a piece of furniture and I sell it, then it is no longer around for me to use. If I buy music or movies and sell it. What's to stop me from having made a copy and enjoying the music for free for the rest of my life.

Finally you say it: the one who copies is doing something illegal, not the one selling or buying used stuff. You did not mention that in your first mail. You again are just assuming that everybody who is selling used CDs is making a copy before and thus is a criminal. This is not nice ... especially after you bought quite some used stuff at ebay too, right? /Oliver ------------------------------------------------------ OK I thought this was over but apparently not. You guys are making way to much out of this. I originally said that buying and selling used music on eBay can be looked at as stealing. I was asked how and I explained under what circumstances it could be looked at as stealing. I never said everyone on eBay selling used music is in fact stealing. Just said it could be done. Just making an observation. I think the whole point is that it is very hard to control the stealing of music because it can be copied so easily. I am not blaming anyone or accusing anyone I am just saying that it is being done. What can the record and music companies do about it? I don't know. Thats why they are trying these crazythings like Sony is doing. They are trying to come up with a solution. If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there. Lets get back to Yello please. Thank You