Jon Kamm wrote:
Let me explain: You can buy CDs used off eBay very cheap. Even new releases way below retail price. So the person selling them had to get them at below retail in order to make a profit. Now they are getting their money back + profit. Do you think they are sending little checks to the record companies and record producers?
Here I think you are just assuming things. The reseller can have bought his stuff from legal distribution channels, how can you know. The record companies cannot force you to sell CDs in real shops only. The ebay reseller will do his profit since he does not have expenses for a shop like rent, staff, etc. He could have also bought the goods cheap because he bought them used, the are a lot of real 2nd hand record shops. Absolutely legal and without problem. He might also be selling copies ... which is of course illegal
organism wrote: You could personally fuel an army with the river of bullshit you spew with *such* regularity. And so, by your logic, *nothing* could
ever be
sold used without the buyer or seller sending a "rights" check off to the original producer? Books? Cars? Movies? Furniture? Houses? Anything?
Dear organism If I buy a car, a house, a piece of furniture and I sell it, then it is no longer around for me to use. If I buy music or movies and sell it. What's to stop me from having made a copy and enjoying the music for free for the rest of my life.
Finally you say it: the one who copies is doing something illegal, not the one selling or buying used stuff. You did not mention that in your first mail. You again are just assuming that everybody who is selling used CDs is making a copy before and thus is a criminal. This is not nice ... especially after you bought quite some used stuff at ebay too, right? /Oliver ------------------------------------------------------ OK I thought this was over but apparently not. You guys are making way to much out of this. I originally said that buying and selling used music on eBay can be looked at as stealing. I was asked how and I explained under what circumstances it could be looked at as stealing. I never said everyone on eBay selling used music is in fact stealing. Just said it could be done. Just making an observation. I think the whole point is that it is very hard to control the stealing of music because it can be copied so easily. I am not blaming anyone or accusing anyone I am just saying that it is being done. What can the record and music companies do about it? I don't know. Thats why they are trying these crazythings like Sony is doing. They are trying to come up with a solution. If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there. Lets get back to Yello please. Thank You
Klonk Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:52:49 -0600 veschprigt mroktar Jon Kamm <kammagic@comcast.net> [re: [Yello] Jon Kamm=Garth Brooks]:
If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there.
Listen, knob, we'll talk about whatever we like best here. We'll talk about yello, we'll talk about DRM, we'll talk about codecs, we'll talk about britney spears and eminem if we want to. YOU do not say. YOU do not own this list. Just because the discussion isn't going in a direction that gobbles your ego does not mean that you get to say "enough" with the very /slightest/ bit of authority. I, for one, enjoy *whatever* comes across the list - and even /your/ swill is "allowed". --gcr
I wonder If I should play my (when I get them) new remasters on my computer. It would be nice to play them on my iPod, but to do so requires my importing them onto my computer. Perhaps it's better to pay the however many bucks it costs to hire a company to import my music onto my ipod, let them deal with the hidden (trogian) treasures there. Something else, regarding Sony and DRM I noticed, if you load certain discs into a mult-disc player and hit the shuffle (specially a sony deck), have you noticed that before long, certain tracks get much more noticible play-time than any others? Could this be another branch of the DRM? And finally a comment on Copying/sharing music files: Let them do it. It's no different from recording off the radio! The True Fan WILL still buy the album, to get the fullest allowable/possible reproduction that gets lost when the files are encoded into MP3, or other format. Even Podcasting uses this format predominately, and you could 'RIP' off of these, but the audio quality is just not the same, so you will go out and buy the album anyway, just like if you recorded off the radio, in days(Years) gone by. Laurens van Graft The Grip Guy (thegripguy@rogers.com) All your gymnastics grip needs right here! PODCASTING IS CHANGING THE WORLD! On Nov 13, 2005, at 7:42 PM, organism@hydrophilus.com wrote:
Klonk Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:52:49 -0600 veschprigt mroktar Jon Kamm <kammagic@comcast.net> [re: [Yello] Jon Kamm=Garth Brooks]:
If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there.
Listen, knob, we'll talk about whatever we like best here. We'll talk about yello, we'll talk about DRM, we'll talk about codecs, we'll talk about britney spears and eminem if we want to. YOU do not say. YOU do not own this list. Just because the discussion isn't going in a direction that gobbles your ego does not mean that you get to say "enough" with the very /slightest/ bit of authority.
I, for one, enjoy *whatever* comes across the list - and even / your/ swill is "allowed".
--gcr
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Listen, knob, we'll talk about whatever we like best here. We'll talk about yello, we'll talk about DRM, we'll talk about codecs, we'll talk about britney spears and eminem if we want to. YOU do not say. YOU do not own this list. Just because the discussion isn't going in a direction that gobbles your ego does not mean that you get to say "enough" with the very /slightest/ bit of authority.
I, for one, enjoy *whatever* comes across the list - and even /your/ swill is "allowed".
--gcr
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Robert Olson