The point is that there should be an option to enter the site using Flash or through normal (HTML) means. I, personally, do not like Flash, even though I have been a Flash developer in the past. It's gimmicky and besides being flashy (no pun intended), offers no real advantages to a web page IMHO. That's not to say I am right, that is only to say I don't particularly like or use it. Others will agree with me, some will disagree with me. It matters not, it's not an issue of who is right or wrong, but an issue of preference and how we like to surf and navigate a web page. To all of you with fast broadband, speed is not an issue. BUT there is still a LARGE user base out there that has slow (modem) connections. You go and work out the maths to download a .5MB flash applet on a 56k modem. It's slow and ponderous. Users are quite often doing other things that use bandwidth which makes the issue even more poignant. I don't want to have to turn off my web radio and stop my download of the latest demo just so that I can load Yello's web site in under a minute. Broadband has made programmers sloppy. When I used to design in Flash, broadband was in it's infancy and we had to pay very careful attention to the size of the applet. .5MB is huge and was unheard of. I could see way's to distribute the large overhead of the initial flash applet to a more manageable size. And even with broadband, that is not an excuse for sloppy and large Flash designs. But I'm not here to discuss programming techniques. I, personally, do not think it's good practice to force the user to use a large Flash applet to enter a web site and anyone who knows the nature of surfers will know that for those with slow connections, they will be gone to other places before the applet would have loaded. When I used to develop sites, userability and functionality was the foremost considerations. It's the challenge of any programmer to design a site that is logical, intuitive to use and simple. Of course there are other considerations. But I see none of these attributes employed in Yello's web site. It is clear to me the programmer was not thinking from the users perspective. I know there are some of you out there that like this site and fine, I'm not here to say you're wrong. If you like it, then there's no problem for you, and this is not an issue. But as user, it doesn't work for me, it sucks for all the reasons I've outlined. I'm no expert, but I find Yello's site a big turn off. Anyway, just to see that there are discussions like this and others topics is great and what keeps this mailing list alive and interesting. We all have diverse opinions but we all share a love and passion for Yello's music. Patrick