ok, next really dumb question. How do I shorten big song files to ring tone length? My phone charges by Kb - so I want to be careful. I have just the standard Windows applications. Am I sol? if so, what application do I need? Thank you again profusely for your help and patience. -----Original Message----- From: yello-bounces+tourguide=austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces+tourguide=austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Woodland Spirit Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 1:06 AM To: The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful. Subject: Re: [Yello] Who's Gone Essential Video The mobile phone version of the internet although these days it tends to be a lot more sophisticated. All you would need to do is put the direct URL of the file into the phone, wait for a bit a then hey presto! It works for all those polyphonic (midi file) tones as well... just about everything you can customise your phone with in fact :o) Sean On 8/30/05, Tasha <TourGuide@austexecotours.com> wrote: ummmm, what's wap? -----Original Message----- From: yello-bounces+tourguide= <mailto:austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com> austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces+tourguide=austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:yello-bounces+tourguide=austexecotours.com@mailman.xmission.com> ] On Behalf Of Woodland Spirit Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 5:56 PM To: The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful. Subject: Re: [Yello] Who's Gone Essential Video What I've done with phones that are able to play true tones (usually MP3 format files) is just take a snippet of them, put them to my site and then (C)WAP it over to the phone, works a treat usually, if you are able to connect your phone to your computer, even better! Sean