I wonder if Yello run Emagic Logic Audio on Mac or PC? I think Logic started on Mac, but many run it on PC (the PC version is still available for download, but has been discontinued). There are many ways to look at the available computer system options. Most are in the gray area of opinions and aesthetics. But a few things can be objectively determined. [ Macs use MacOS. PC's use a multitude. PC hardware is more dynamic, [ more stable, and less expensive than Mac hardware. PC hardware [ enjoys competition and variety. Macs get what Apple decrees. PC hardware is not more stable. The #1 factor driving the industry is competition for the lowest price in a commodity market. It is not surprising to me that PC hardware fails far more frequently than other computers (Mac, Sun, SGI, etc.). It has been my experience that the hardware is low quality and unreliable. Most people ignore this shortcoming because replacements are cheap and largely compatible. It is a myth that PC hardware is less expensive than Mac hardware. If you compare similar specifications, you often get more features for less money when buying a Mac. However, the truth is that when you don't need the extra features or cannot afford them, the Mac no longer becomes feasible. [ Your problem with your father's PC is surely a /Windows/ problem, [ not a hardware or "PC" problem, and there, my friend, I can only [ say, "Wow, what a surprise. No. Really. Seriously? Windows [ problems? Never! Ha!" True. In my experience, crashes are Windows' fault, where fried hardware is the PC maker's fault. [ Use GNU/Linux and your problems will vanish. Not if parts of your system die due to the poor manufacturing process. [ But it is inaccurate to blame Windows problems on hardware. I agree. [ Macs use MacOS, on Apple-approved and made hardware. There is no [ excuse for crashes, period. As a software developer, I can say that any complex program can crash. It has nothing to do with hardware. The only way for Apple to prevent all possible crashes is to write an operating system which is not very complicated. I'll bet that GIMP or other complex Linux programs can crash, although they won't bring down the whole system. Now that Mac OS X runs Unix, there is no excuse for bringing down the system, even if individual applications crash. [ >Playing with the new Panther these days... it is super fast! [ So you are already using GNU/Linux. Well, BSD, but close enough. He, he. Now it's my turn to laugh. GNU/Linux is a clone of the real Unix which is BSD. So, I would say that GNU/Linux is close enough! [ >Us Mac users are so passionate about our machines. [ It's a religion. You have faith in Steve "God" Jobs. Just please, [ please spare us the crusade. I'm not a believer, but I do have Macs sitting next to my Sun and other Unix computers. But regarding any crusade, you should be careful about how much you say. Most of what you wrote was dead-on right, but a few statements slipped by which are PC religion. [ --gcr, your GNU/Linux elitist for the day! Unix is great! Long live Unix! I should admit that I am mostly anti-PC, if I were to pick a religion, and that's because the PC hardware is not allowed to grow free without being compatible with 1970's technology. [ [In reality, I am not flaming you. It's just so much fun, and so [ easy, to rattle the cages of Mac disciples! It's all in good fun, [ and believe me when I tell you that when it comes to computers, [ the only thing I really care about is that people are able to [ /choose/ what they want ... that /choices/ be available. Death [ to monopolies and proprietary technology!] I agree. The single biggest problem with the PC market is that most people buy the hardware and OS without knowing they have a choice. The second biggest problem is probably that folks think Mac is the only other choice! Brian