Which gives you a freebie called 'WavePad', just done a quick test and it does what you need of it, a combination of trimming down to the snippet that you want (and so many snippets to choose from) and then when saving the MP3 file (warning, wavpad has an install on demand which will install the encoder from the web when first used), a combination of encoding to 32bps and mixing down to mono (don't need stereo after all) and that should produce a nice small quality MP3 file usable for a ringtone.

As a side note, I've been trying experiments to get a nice looping sample from the race but every time I save the MP3 file a little gap is added to the start and end of the file for some reason which completely ruins it :o(

Hope that helps ya, I might start doing a small collection for everyone to wap to there phones if there is interest from people here?

On 9/3/05, Tasha <TourGuide@austexecotours.com> wrote:

ok, next really dumb question. How do I shorten big song files to ring tone length? My phone charges by Kb - so I want to be careful. I have just the standard Windows applications. Am I sol? if so, what application do I need?

Thank you again profusely for your help and patience.