[ The idea of OGG Quality and/or MP3 bit rate is possibly one we [ should go with. [ [ Brian Willoughby [ Sound Consulting In case I didn't make sense, I was seconding organism's suggestion to indicate the quality/bit rate in the file name. That idea takes the subjective interpretation out of "low" or "high" quality, and makes it objective. Another idea would be to provide a text file in each directory summarizing such things that might take too much space to show in the file name. For a long time, I've been hearing about ideas for file systems which were really like databases. Instead of a single file name and the data, you would have several named fields with values, and then the data. You could have the song title, time length, audio data, bit rate, compression type, year of release, etc. But the problem is that these database file systems haven't really become widespread, and I've certainly not heard of an ftp server or client tools which could access such a fancy system. Oh well... [ As Far as bit rates are concered I don't much like anything under [ 192, so a typical 4 min tune would come in around 7-8MB. real CD [ bit rates are in the 3,4,5-hundreds but that would make for some [ massive file sizes. [ [ CP CD bit rates are actually in the thousands. 1411.2 kbps to be precise. Perhaps you were thinking of the *byte* rate which is 176.4 KB/sec. That's over 40 MB for a 4 min tune. shorten (.shn) would reduce that to 20 MB or slightly more. DVD is 1536 kbps minimum (for uncompressed PCM), and can be 4608 kbps for 24/96 DVD Audio. Compressed formats like Dolby Digital or DTS can be lower. DTS starts at 1509 kbps on the rare disk that goes for top quality audio, but is often only 754 kbps when they have to make room for DD 5.1 on the same disc. Dolby Digital is only around 448 kbps for 5.1, and less for 2.0 formats (as low as 64 kbps for mono). I don't know anything yet about getting digital audio off a DVD, but that might be worth investigating for music video discs. Brian