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Goodbye to winter
by Jorge Gutierrez 10 Apr '13

10 Apr '13

Picture of Orion, as he sinks down below the horizon http://i.imgur.com/exMlqdx.jpg taken on april 3rd, using a canon 20D, 50mm 1.4 lens @ f3.5 / 211 seconds ISO 800, thought somebody on this list might be interested

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Re: [UVAA] UVAA Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3
by mprice9m＠gmail.com 10 Apr '13

10 Apr '13

Hi I'm not sure I can make it just yet but... if you fellows end up at the Vernon site on Friday what would an Approximate lat and long be? and what time are you guys out there setting up? I'm new to this but know about red lights and being polite with that kinda stuff. -----Original Message----- From: uvaa-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 4:43 PM To: uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: UVAA Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3 Send UVAA mailing list submissions to uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to uvaa-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at uvaa-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of UVAA digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Places to Have a Star Party (Jay Eads) 2. Re: Places to Have a Star Party (Mike Bailey) 3. Re: Places to Have a Star Party (Paul Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:25:07 -0600 From: Jay Eads <jayleads(a)gmail.com> To: Utah Valley Astronomy Association <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [UVAA] Places to Have a Star Party Message-ID: <CANCdW8dknDqEBr51j=KOiU8sPJBgByqSvMggcDQ0C=2AW-2XQg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Fairview canyon site I would like to check out. The Forest Road sites are much darker than the Pit n Pole site which is off the Faust Road off of SR 73. Pit n Pole had a an SQM of around 21.11 or about NELM of 6.11; add .5 for eyes and conditions and that could go up to 6.61, about a 1/2 mag to mag less than the Forest Road sites. That and the Pit has much higher humidity there and we've had people driving down the road behind us shooting rabbits and stopping when they see us or we get their attention. That usually cost a good 40 min to dark adapt so we aren't going to the Pit any more. So anyway, I like the south of Vernon sites and it the weather clears this weekend, say Thursday or Friday I'll be heading out that way with a couple of others that I observe with. Fairview I'll probably have to hold off on until June's new moon. On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Mike Bailey <ut.starscoper(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My two cents: the Fairview Canyon idea appeals to me. I'm interested in > the "south of vernon" site, too. Is it better than the SLAS site just off > SR73? > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Jay Eads <jayleads(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > A small group of us usually go out on the Forest Land south of Vernon. > SQM > > of around 21.77 on the last visit last week and that was low. Comes to a > > NELM of around 6.94 or about 7 mag. Not bad. I've been there on the > > weekends and you'll campers but the farther west you go the less people > you > > have. During the week its empty. > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Ken Weaver <kenneth.w15(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Has anyone tried a star party at lincoln beach west of spanish fork? > It > > > may be similar to antelope island. > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnson <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I was happy to see some interest in a star party. I hope to hear > from > > > > many more. > > > > > > > > The two places I was thinking about having a star party are: > > > > > > > > 1. At the top of Fairview Canyon the road branches to the Sky Line > > Drive > > > > north. Just a short distance north on the Sky Line drive is a very > > large > > > > public asphalt parking lot. The lot also has restroom. I think > > > > this > > lot > > > > is used in the winter as a parking lot for snow mobiliers. It is in > > the > > > > top of the mountains. On a clear night viewing and telescope setup > > would > > > > be fantastic. I believe that not many people actually camp on the > lot > > > > during warmer weather so it should be fairly private and quite dark. > > > > > > > > 2. Up Spanish Fork Canyon a road called sheep creek branches north > off > > > > highway 6. About 15 miles up this road is a free public camping > > facility > > > > with a restroom. It has a large compressed gravel parking lot. > Again > > > the > > > > view is from near the top of the mountains. This site would > > > > probably > > be > > > > busy on weekends, but would probably be good during the week. > > > > > > > > Of the two sites I would vote for the Fairview site although it is a > > > > little further from Utah Valley. > > > > > > > > Does anyone else know some really good dark sites that are > > > > relatively > > > near > > > > Utah Valley? > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Paul S. Johnson > > > > psjohn(a)sfcn.org > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giulia Hester" < > gewelsy(a)gmail.com> > > > > To: "Utah Valley Astronomy Association" <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:19 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [UVAA] Goodbye to winter > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to join a star party soon! I have no equipment but > > > > love > > the > > > >> night sky & wanna learn! ---Giulia from Park City > > > >> On Apr 7, 2013 9:19 AM, "Paul Johnson" <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Nice shot Jorge - It's good to see someone using this site. I > > recently > > > >>> purchased a Nikon 5100 and a Orion Eq. Mount tripod. I haven't > done > > > much > > > >>> with it. You have inspired me. > > > >>> > > > >>> I also have a 12 inch Orion Intellescope. > > > >>> > > > >>> I was wondering if anyone in UVAA would like to have a star party. > > Now > > > >>> that the weather is getting better I have found a couple of sites > in > > > the > > > >>> mountains with a potty that would be a great place to have one. > > > >>> > > > >>> I am interested if there is any interest. > > > >>> > > > >>> Sincerely, > > > >>> > > > >>> Paul S. Johnson > > > >>> psjohn(a)sfcn.org > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Gutierrez" < > > > >>> gotfoxx(a)hotmail.com> > > > >>> To: <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 9:49 PM > > > >>> Subject: [UVAA] Goodbye to winter > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Picture of Orion, as he sinks down below the horizon > > > >>> > > > >>>> http://i.imgur.com/exMlqdx.jpg taken on april 3rd, using a canon > > 20D, > > > >>>> 50mm 1.4 lens @ f3.5 / 211 seconds ISO 800, thought somebody on > this > > > >>>> list > > > >>>> might be interested > > > >>>> ______________________________****_________________ > > > >>>> UVAA mailing list > > > >>>> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/****cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > >>>> <**http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> ______________________________****_________________ > > > >>> UVAA mailing list > > > >>> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/****cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > >>> <**http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > > > >> UVAA mailing list > > > >> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > UVAA mailing list > > > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UVAA mailing list > > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UVAA mailing list > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > > > _______________________________________________ > UVAA mailing list > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:33:39 -0600 From: Mike Bailey <ut.starscoper(a)gmail.com> To: Utah Valley Astronomy Association <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [UVAA] Places to Have a Star Party Message-ID: <CAOPx7JfmmQvf1EqQQbOebui1chUZohW0kZP1f6PiCGNUVtqXNg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What are the directions to the south-of-Vernon site? On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Jay Eads <jayleads(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The Fairview canyon site I would like to check out. The Forest Road sites > are much darker than the Pit n Pole site which is off the Faust Road off > of > SR 73. Pit n Pole had a an SQM of around 21.11 or about NELM of 6.11; add > .5 for eyes and conditions and that could go up to 6.61, about a 1/2 mag > to > mag less than the Forest Road sites. That and the Pit has much higher > humidity there and we've had people driving down the road behind us > shooting rabbits and stopping when they see us or we get their attention. > That usually cost a good 40 min to dark adapt so we aren't going to the > Pit > any more. > > So anyway, I like the south of Vernon sites and it the weather clears this > weekend, say Thursday or Friday I'll be heading out that way with a couple > of others that I observe with. Fairview I'll probably have to hold off on > until June's new moon. > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Mike Bailey <ut.starscoper(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My two cents: the Fairview Canyon idea appeals to me. I'm interested in > > the "south of vernon" site, too. Is it better than the SLAS site just > off > > SR73? > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Jay Eads <jayleads(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > A small group of us usually go out on the Forest Land south of Vernon. > > SQM > > > of around 21.77 on the last visit last week and that was low. Comes to > a > > > NELM of around 6.94 or about 7 mag. Not bad. I've been there on the > > > weekends and you'll campers but the farther west you go the less > > > people > > you > > > have. During the week its empty. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Ken Weaver <kenneth.w15(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Has anyone tried a star party at lincoln beach west of spanish fork? > > It > > > > may be similar to antelope island. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnson <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was happy to see some interest in a star party. I hope to hear > > from > > > > > many more. > > > > > > > > > > The two places I was thinking about having a star party are: > > > > > > > > > > 1. At the top of Fairview Canyon the road branches to the Sky > > > > > Line > > > Drive > > > > > north. Just a short distance north on the Sky Line drive is a > > > > > very > > > large > > > > > public asphalt parking lot. The lot also has restroom. I think > this > > > lot > > > > > is used in the winter as a parking lot for snow mobiliers. It is > in > > > the > > > > > top of the mountains. On a clear night viewing and telescope > > > > > setup > > > would > > > > > be fantastic. I believe that not many people actually camp on the > > lot > > > > > during warmer weather so it should be fairly private and quite > dark. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Up Spanish Fork Canyon a road called sheep creek branches > > > > > north > > off > > > > > highway 6. About 15 miles up this road is a free public camping > > > facility > > > > > with a restroom. It has a large compressed gravel parking lot. > > Again > > > > the > > > > > view is from near the top of the mountains. This site would > probably > > > be > > > > > busy on weekends, but would probably be good during the week. > > > > > > > > > > Of the two sites I would vote for the Fairview site although it is > a > > > > > little further from Utah Valley. > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone else know some really good dark sites that are > relatively > > > > near > > > > > Utah Valley? > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > Paul S. Johnson > > > > > psjohn(a)sfcn.org > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giulia Hester" < > > gewelsy(a)gmail.com> > > > > > To: "Utah Valley Astronomy Association" <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:19 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [UVAA] Goodbye to winter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would love to join a star party soon! I have no equipment but > love > > > the > > > > >> night sky & wanna learn! ---Giulia from Park City > > > > >> On Apr 7, 2013 9:19 AM, "Paul Johnson" <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Nice shot Jorge - It's good to see someone using this site. I > > > recently > > > > >>> purchased a Nikon 5100 and a Orion Eq. Mount tripod. I haven't > > done > > > > much > > > > >>> with it. You have inspired me. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I also have a 12 inch Orion Intellescope. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I was wondering if anyone in UVAA would like to have a star > party. > > > Now > > > > >>> that the weather is getting better I have found a couple of > > > > >>> sites > > in > > > > the > > > > >>> mountains with a potty that would be a great place to have one. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I am interested if there is any interest. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Sincerely, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Paul S. Johnson > > > > >>> psjohn(a)sfcn.org > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Gutierrez" < > > > > >>> gotfoxx(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >>> To: <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > > > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 9:49 PM > > > > >>> Subject: [UVAA] Goodbye to winter > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Picture of Orion, as he sinks down below the horizon > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> http://i.imgur.com/exMlqdx.jpg taken on april 3rd, using a > canon > > > 20D, > > > > >>>> 50mm 1.4 lens @ f3.5 / 211 seconds ISO 800, thought somebody on > > this > > > > >>>> list > > > > >>>> might be interested > > > > >>>> ______________________________****_________________ > > > > >>>> UVAA mailing list > > > > >>>> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/****cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > >>>> <**http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ______________________________****_________________ > > > > >>> UVAA mailing list > > > > >>> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/****cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > >>> <**http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > >>> ______________________________**_________________ > > > > >> UVAA mailing list > > > > >> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > > > > UVAA mailing list > > > > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > UVAA mailing list > > > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UVAA mailing list > > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UVAA mailing list > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > > > _______________________________________________ > UVAA mailing list > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:42:38 -0600 From: "Paul Johnson" <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> To: "Utah Valley Astronomy Association" <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [UVAA] Places to Have a Star Party Message-ID: <5AC8599D259845D4966D1DAEADB6013C@PJohnson> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I was trying to find Vernon on my Utah map to no avail. Could you give better directions about how to get there. Is there any restroom facilities? Having a restroom especially appeals to women who may want to go. Sincerely, Paul S. Johnson psjohn(a)sfcn.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Eads" <jayleads(a)gmail.com> To: "Utah Valley Astronomy Association" <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [UVAA] Places to Have a Star Party > The Fairview canyon site I would like to check out. The Forest Road sites > are much darker than the Pit n Pole site which is off the Faust Road off > of > SR 73. Pit n Pole had a an SQM of around 21.11 or about NELM of 6.11; add > .5 for eyes and conditions and that could go up to 6.61, about a 1/2 mag > to > mag less than the Forest Road sites. That and the Pit has much higher > humidity there and we've had people driving down the road behind us > shooting rabbits and stopping when they see us or we get their attention. > That usually cost a good 40 min to dark adapt so we aren't going to the > Pit > any more. > > So anyway, I like the south of Vernon sites and it the weather clears this > weekend, say Thursday or Friday I'll be heading out that way with a couple > of others that I observe with. Fairview I'll probably have to hold off on > until June's new moon. > > > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Mike Bailey <ut.starscoper(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> My two cents: the Fairview Canyon idea appeals to me. I'm interested in >> the "south of vernon" site, too. Is it better than the SLAS site just >> off >> SR73? >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Jay Eads <jayleads(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > A small group of us usually go out on the Forest Land south of Vernon. >> SQM >> > of around 21.77 on the last visit last week and that was low. Comes to >> > a >> > NELM of around 6.94 or about 7 mag. Not bad. I've been there on the >> > weekends and you'll campers but the farther west you go the less people >> you >> > have. During the week its empty. >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Ken Weaver <kenneth.w15(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Has anyone tried a star party at lincoln beach west of spanish fork? >> It >> > > may be similar to antelope island. >> > > >> > > >> > > On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Paul Johnson <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > I was happy to see some interest in a star party. I hope to hear >> from >> > > > many more. >> > > > >> > > > The two places I was thinking about having a star party are: >> > > > >> > > > 1. At the top of Fairview Canyon the road branches to the Sky Line >> > Drive >> > > > north. Just a short distance north on the Sky Line drive is a very >> > large >> > > > public asphalt parking lot. The lot also has restroom. I think >> > > > this >> > lot >> > > > is used in the winter as a parking lot for snow mobiliers. It is >> > > > in >> > the >> > > > top of the mountains. On a clear night viewing and telescope setup >> > would >> > > > be fantastic. I believe that not many people actually camp on the >> lot >> > > > during warmer weather so it should be fairly private and quite >> > > > dark. >> > > > >> > > > 2. Up Spanish Fork Canyon a road called sheep creek branches north >> off >> > > > highway 6. About 15 miles up this road is a free public camping >> > facility >> > > > with a restroom. It has a large compressed gravel parking lot. >> Again >> > > the >> > > > view is from near the top of the mountains. This site would >> > > > probably >> > be >> > > > busy on weekends, but would probably be good during the week. >> > > > >> > > > Of the two sites I would vote for the Fairview site although it is >> > > > a >> > > > little further from Utah Valley. >> > > > >> > > > Does anyone else know some really good dark sites that are >> > > > relatively >> > > near >> > > > Utah Valley? >> > > > >> > > > Sincerely, >> > > > >> > > > Paul S. Johnson >> > > > psjohn(a)sfcn.org >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Giulia Hester" < >> gewelsy(a)gmail.com> >> > > > To: "Utah Valley Astronomy Association" <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 10:19 AM >> > > > Subject: Re: [UVAA] Goodbye to winter >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > I would love to join a star party soon! I have no equipment but >> > > > love >> > the >> > > >> night sky & wanna learn! ---Giulia from Park City >> > > >> On Apr 7, 2013 9:19 AM, "Paul Johnson" <psjohn(a)sfcn.org> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> Nice shot Jorge - It's good to see someone using this site. I >> > recently >> > > >>> purchased a Nikon 5100 and a Orion Eq. Mount tripod. I haven't >> done >> > > much >> > > >>> with it. You have inspired me. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I also have a 12 inch Orion Intellescope. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I was wondering if anyone in UVAA would like to have a star >> > > >>> party. >> > Now >> > > >>> that the weather is getting better I have found a couple of sites >> in >> > > the >> > > >>> mountains with a potty that would be a great place to have one. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> I am interested if there is any interest. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Sincerely, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Paul S. Johnson >> > > >>> psjohn(a)sfcn.org >> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Gutierrez" < >> > > >>> gotfoxx(a)hotmail.com> >> > > >>> To: <uvaa(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> > > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2013 9:49 PM >> > > >>> Subject: [UVAA] Goodbye to winter >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Picture of Orion, as he sinks down below the horizon >> > > >>> >> > > >>>> http://i.imgur.com/exMlqdx.jpg taken on april 3rd, using a canon >> > 20D, >> > > >>>> 50mm 1.4 lens @ f3.5 / 211 seconds ISO 800, thought somebody on >> this >> > > >>>> list >> > > >>>> might be interested >> > > >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >> > > >>>> UVAA mailing list >> > > >>>> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > >>>> http://mailman.xmission.com/****cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> >> > > >>>> <**http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> >> > > >>>> > >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ______________________________****_________________ >> > > >>> UVAA mailing list >> > > >>> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/****cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> >> > > >>> <**http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> > > >> UVAA mailing list >> > > >> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ >> > > > UVAA mailing list >> > > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/**cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa< >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa> >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > UVAA mailing list >> > > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > UVAA mailing list >> > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> UVAA mailing list >> UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa >> > _______________________________________________ > UVAA mailing list > UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ UVAA mailing list UVAA(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uvaa End of UVAA Digest, Vol 62, Issue 3 ***********************************

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