I have been a silent subscriber to Utah Astronomy for a few weeks now and have read with some interest some of what each of you have to say. Sometimes it is easier to listen and try to learn than to ask a bunch of questions. I was a member of SLAS from September of 01 till September of 02 I met and had conversations with people that I learned to respect for their selves and their opinions. I was also surprised to find way to many people so opinionated and closed minded that I could not believe that they had the education's and knowledge that they did. When I was first introduced to Astronomy I heard and I quote. " There is only one person in the Club with a computerized scope." No one we know is using CCD, astrophotography is the only way pro's do it. I'm 53 years of age and had I not have purchased a computerized go to scope I would have a much smaller understanding of the night sky than I currently have. I have been an avid stargazer for two years now and I am still a "rank amateur" and plan on remaining so even to the extent of extending my subscription of Astronomy. I will never consider myself even an amateur astronomer let alone a professional. I do admire many of you for your knowledge not only of the night sky but many other areas of expertise as well. Many of you who read this wonder at times "how come more young people aren't interested in what we teach, preach and show them"? What happened to so and so who use to come around? How come he is not in the club? Well, Utah Astronomy is your group, it's your club, I'm just going to unsubscribe and go back to being a "rank amateur." Steve Fisher Imupinthenight@aol.com
Steve: Please don't unsubscribe. Many people ARE opinionated, it sometimes goes with the territory. Remember that opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one. I myself haven't been to a club meeting since April of last year, and only attended one meeting in the year prior. Many of us just don't have the time to attend club functions or star parties due to work & family obligations- but that doesn't dampen our enthusiasm. If you encounter an "astronomy snob", take them with a ton of salt, and don't let them get you down. You know, it's a funny thing, but it's the men and women who have been doing this the longest who are the least opinionated as to equipment, procedure, technique. A strong negative opinion or attitude is usually a sign of a deficiency in some other aspect of the personality, or knowledge base. These people try to be "big fish" in a small pond without earning it. I myself welcome the beginners. I like the fresh sense of wonder they bring to the eyepiece. It's like a trip back in time for me, to those days long ago when I first started looking at the sky and asking "what's out there?" Beginners also don't have that attitude you encountered among some apparent veterans. Remember too that this list is not affiliated with any local club- list members come from all over Utah and even out-of-state; I'd hate to think that the list is tarnished because of the attitude of certain club members. Some listers are not members of any club. It's true that a lot of "inside jokes" get posted on the list that many people don't get, but not to worry- when you've known people for upwards of 30 years, you're bound to have a few stories to tell. The recipients usually take the jokes with good grace and humor. They know there is no malice behind it. Give us another chance, if you can find it in your heart. Ask questions, don't worry about ridicule on this list. And if it was our remarks disparaging Astronomy magazine, please don't take that personally. As I said, it is a good magazine for the beginner. For someone who's been in the hobby for decades, though, it is thin. My guess is that in time you may reach the same conclusion, but if not, that's OK, too. I'd be privelidged to meet you personally, looking forward to it sometime soon. Sincerely, Chuck Hards --- Imupinthenight@aol.com wrote:
I have been a silent subscriber to Utah Astronomy for a few weeks now and have read with some interest some of what each of you have to say. Sometimes it is easier to listen and try to learn than to ask a bunch of questions.
I was a member of SLAS from September of 01 till September of 02 I met and had conversations with people that I learned to respect for their selves and their opinions. I was also surprised to find way to many people so opinionated and closed minded that I could not believe that they had the education's and knowledge that they did.
When I was first introduced to Astronomy I heard and I quote. " There is only one person in the Club with a computerized scope." No one we know is using CCD, astrophotography is the only way pro's do it.
I'm 53 years of age and had I not have purchased a computerized go to scope I would have a much smaller understanding of the night sky than I currently have. I have been an avid stargazer for two years now and I am still a "rank amateur" and plan on remaining so even to the extent of extending my subscription of Astronomy. I will never consider myself even an amateur astronomer let alone a professional.
I do admire many of you for your knowledge not only of the night sky but many other areas of expertise as well.
Many of you who read this wonder at times "how come more young people aren't interested in what we teach, preach and show them"? What happened to so and so who use to come around? How come he is not in the club?
Well, Utah Astronomy is your group, it's your club, I'm just going to unsubscribe and go back to being a "rank amateur."
Steve Fisher Imupinthenight@aol.com
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The guy who sent this did unsubscribe, I got an unsub notification right after he sent it. You can probably contact him directly if you'd like. :) Cyn -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:11 PM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Cc: Imupinthenight@aol.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Some recent postings Steve: Please don't unsubscribe. Many people ARE opinionated, it sometimes goes with the territory. Remember that opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one. I myself haven't been to a club meeting since April of last year, and only attended one meeting in the year prior. Many of us just don't have the time to attend club functions or star parties due to work & family obligations- but that doesn't dampen our enthusiasm. If you encounter an "astronomy snob", take them with a ton of salt, and don't let them get you down. You know, it's a funny thing, but it's the men and women who have been doing this the longest who are the least opinionated as to equipment, procedure, technique. A strong negative opinion or attitude is usually a sign of a deficiency in some other aspect of the personality, or knowledge base. These people try to be "big fish" in a small pond without earning it. I myself welcome the beginners. I like the fresh sense of wonder they bring to the eyepiece. It's like a trip back in time for me, to those days long ago when I first started looking at the sky and asking "what's out there?" Beginners also don't have that attitude you encountered among some apparent veterans. Remember too that this list is not affiliated with any local club- list members come from all over Utah and even out-of-state; I'd hate to think that the list is tarnished because of the attitude of certain club members. Some listers are not members of any club. It's true that a lot of "inside jokes" get posted on the list that many people don't get, but not to worry- when you've known people for upwards of 30 years, you're bound to have a few stories to tell. The recipients usually take the jokes with good grace and humor. They know there is no malice behind it. Give us another chance, if you can find it in your heart. Ask questions, don't worry about ridicule on this list. And if it was our remarks disparaging Astronomy magazine, please don't take that personally. As I said, it is a good magazine for the beginner. For someone who's been in the hobby for decades, though, it is thin. My guess is that in time you may reach the same conclusion, but if not, that's OK, too. I'd be privelidged to meet you personally, looking forward to it sometime soon. Sincerely, Chuck Hards --- Imupinthenight@aol.com wrote:
I have been a silent subscriber to Utah Astronomy for a few weeks now and have read with some interest some of what each of you have to say. Sometimes it is easier to listen and try to learn than to ask a bunch of questions.
I was a member of SLAS from September of 01 till September of 02 I met and had conversations with people that I learned to respect for their selves and their opinions. I was also surprised to find way to many people so opinionated and closed minded that I could not believe that they had the education's and knowledge that they did.
When I was first introduced to Astronomy I heard and I quote. " There is only one person in the Club with a computerized scope." No one we know is using CCD, astrophotography is the only way pro's do it.
I'm 53 years of age and had I not have purchased a computerized go to scope I would have a much smaller understanding of the night sky than I currently have. I have been an avid stargazer for two years now and I am still a "rank amateur" and plan on remaining so even to the extent of extending my subscription of Astronomy. I will never consider myself even an amateur astronomer let alone a professional.
I do admire many of you for your knowledge not only of the night sky but many other areas of expertise as well.
Many of you who read this wonder at times "how come more young people aren't interested in what we teach, preach and show them"? What happened to so and so who use to come around? How come he is not in the club?
Well, Utah Astronomy is your group, it's your club, I'm just going to unsubscribe and go back to being a "rank amateur."
Steve Fisher Imupinthenight@aol.com
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Thanks, Cyn. I copied him directly in case he unsubscribed before I got a reply posted. But, please, to everyone: If I ever offend you, please let me know. It is never my intention to offend anyone, but time constraints and the limitations of email can often make something sound more cutting than it was intended to be. Should a group concensus ever be reached that I am not welcome here, or by Cynthia's sole decision, I will of course quit the list immediately. Was it my postings that ticked-off Mr. Fisher? It's just a hobby! Thanks C. --- Cynthia Blue <cyn@cynthiablue.net> wrote:
The guy who sent this did unsubscribe, I got an unsub notification right after he sent it.
You can probably contact him directly if you'd like. :)
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Steve, I just got home and retrieved my pile of mail from the Utah Astronomy group from this afternoon and saw your message. I wanted to send my thoughts - I hope its not too late. I hope you will reconsider your decision. When I read your comment about getting a go-to-scope I was hoping I could ask you about your experiences with yours. I have been trying to decide if a computerized, go-to telescope would be right for me or not. I would really like to hear how you have liked yours, the good and the bad. Based on the details of your note, I am an even newer beginner than you. I just signed up in January. I subscribed to Sky & Telescope for a year but could not afford to renew it. So I thought I would try joining an astronomy group with the hope that I might get some very much needed help in getting started. I have not been able to get to any of the SLAS meetings yet. I hope I can get to one soon. Until then I am glad to have access to the knowledge and experience of of those who are writing to this group. I have asked a few of the members for suggestions and have gotten some very helpful replies. I have been given the names of some others in the group who may have information that is even more specifically tuned to my needs. Due to a problem with my spine I am unable to sit up past 45 degrees for more than a few minutes at a time. Some in the group and in SLAS are researching possibilities that may help me. Anyway, I hope you can reconsider. I would like a chance to hear about your experiences. Even a "rank amateur' such as you mentioned, knows more than the fellow who just came in (me). Thanks, Rog Imupinthenight@aol.com wrote:
I have been a silent subscriber to Utah Astronomy for a few weeks now and have read with some interest some of what each of you have to say. Sometimes it is easier to listen and try to learn than to ask a bunch of questions.
I was a member of SLAS from September of 01 till September of 02 I met and had conversations with people that I learned to respect for their selves and their opinions. I was also surprised to find way to many people so opinionated and closed minded that I could not believe that they had the education's and knowledge that they did.
When I was first introduced to Astronomy I heard and I quote. " There is only one person in the Club with a computerized scope." No one we know is using CCD, astrophotography is the only way pro's do it.
I'm 53 years of age and had I not have purchased a computerized go to scope I would have a much smaller understanding of the night sky than I currently have. I have been an avid stargazer for two years now and I am still a "rank amateur" and plan on remaining so even to the extent of extending my subscription of Astronomy. I will never consider myself even an amateur astronomer let alone a professional.
I do admire many of you for your knowledge not only of the night sky but many other areas of expertise as well.
Many of you who read this wonder at times "how come more young people aren't interested in what we teach, preach and show them"? What happened to so and so who use to come around? How come he is not in the club?
Well, Utah Astronomy is your group, it's your club, I'm just going to unsubscribe and go back to being a "rank amateur."
Steve Fisher Imupinthenight@aol.com
Rog, there are initiatives in the club to address the observing needs of people like yourself- we need to thank Bruce Grim especially for this. Bruce is practically a crusader for ADA issues. I believe the trailer-mounted parallelogram mount is finished now. This mount can bring the eyepiece to the observer, instead of vice-versa. Patrick, can you fill us in on the details? I didn't see Bruce's email on the subscriber list. I should have a few more parallelograms ready for summer, for those who missed-out last year. Thanks for the pep-talk! C. --- RLKelm <rlkelm@attbi.com> wrote:
Steve,
I just got home and retrieved my pile of mail from the Utah Astronomy group from this afternoon and saw your message. I wanted to send my thoughts - I hope its not too late.
I hope you will reconsider your decision. When I read your comment about getting a go-to-scope I was hoping I could ask you about your experiences with yours. I have been trying to decide if a computerized, go-to telescope would be right for me or not. I would really like to hear how you have liked yours, the good and the bad.
Based on the details of your note, I am an even newer beginner than you. I just signed up in January. I subscribed to Sky & Telescope for a year but could not afford to renew it. So I thought I would try joining an astronomy group with the hope that I might get some very much needed help in getting started.
I have not been able to get to any of the SLAS meetings yet. I hope I can get to one soon. Until then I am glad to have access to the knowledge and experience of of those who are writing to this group.
I have asked a few of the members for suggestions and have gotten some very helpful replies. I have been given the names of some others in the group who may have information that is even more specifically tuned to my needs. Due to a problem with my spine I am unable to sit up past 45 degrees for more than a few minutes at a time. Some in the group and in SLAS are researching possibilities that may help me.
Anyway, I hope you can reconsider. I would like a chance to hear about your experiences. Even a "rank amateur' such as you mentioned, knows more than the fellow who just came in (me).
Thanks,
Rog
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Patrick, can you fill us in on the details? I didn't see Bruce's email on the subscriber list.
The ADA mount is done (pictures were in a recent issue of News) and he just acquired a C-8 to put on it. Happily the C-8 is of the orange variety, which, as we all know, is far superior to other colors of scopes. :-) Now all we need is a star party with good weather. Even if folks in wheel chairs don't show up to use it it should be fun to raise and lower the eyepiece to accommodate kids of different heights. Patrick
Patrick, If it is physically possible for me to make it to the next star party I will be there. And even though my power wheelchair is pretty fussy about getting wet, I don't mind. And I would love to try the new ADA mount, with permission. And I like Orange just fine! Thank you. Rog Kelm Patrick Wiggins wrote:
Chuck Hards wrote:
Patrick, can you fill us in on the details? I didn't see Bruce's email on the subscriber list.
The ADA mount is done (pictures were in a recent issue of News) and he just acquired a C-8 to put on it.
Happily the C-8 is of the orange variety, which, as we all know, is far superior to other colors of scopes. :-)
Now all we need is a star party with good weather.
Even if folks in wheel chairs don't show up to use it it should be fun to raise and lower the eyepiece to accommodate kids of different heights.
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And even though my power wheelchair is pretty fussy about getting wet, I don't mind.
No worries there, if there is precipitation, there won't be star party! Do you have transportation? C. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Chuck, Hi. Yes I have transportation. It is a full sized van with a full conversion and a chair lift. I am not sure where it needs to transport me. I need a fairly level piece of ground to be able to get out of it. Then I always have the sometimes frustrating factor of the 'unknown'. I never know if I am going to be able to get up and go anywhere until it is time to get up and go. Thanks, Rog Chuck Hards wrote:
--- RLKelm <rlkelm@attbi.com> wrote:
And even though my power wheelchair is pretty fussy about getting wet, I don't mind.
No worries there, if there is precipitation, there won't be star party!
Do you have transportation?
C.
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Rog, most of the in-town star parties occur at schools or store parking lots. You should have no problems using your lift. If I may be so bold, is your condition permanent? Please reply privately if you desire. Looking forward to seeing you at a star-party, as long as your eyes work, you'll have a good time. Chuck --- RLKelm <rlkelm@attbi.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Hi. Yes I have transportation.
It is a full sized van with a full conversion and a chair lift. I am not sure where it needs to transport me. I need a fairly level piece of ground to be able to get out of it. Then I always have the sometimes frustrating factor of the 'unknown'. I never know if I am going to be able to get up and go anywhere until it is time to get up and go.
Thanks,
Rog
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--- RLKelm <rlkelm@attbi.com> wrote:
And even though my power wheelchair is pretty fussy about getting wet, I don't mind.
No worries there, if there is precipitation, there won't be star party!
Do you have transportation?
C.
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Jim, SLAS is next week (the 25th), not tonight. It's the 4th Tuesday of each month. --- Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
I wrote yesterday about tonight's meeting but my email box filled up and the reply might not have come thru. Does anyone know the speakera and topic for tonight's SLAS meeting? Thanks so much, Jim Stitley
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OK, Thanks Richard, for clarifying it. I don't know where I get the 3rd Tuesay - thats what happens when one gets old. At least I rememebred it was a Tuesday :) - do I get points for that? Would you happen to know who is speaker and topic NEXT Tuesday? Thanks again, Jim Stitley --- Richard Tenney <retenney@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim,
SLAS is next week (the 25th), not tonight. It's the 4th Tuesday of each month.
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I wrote yesterday about tonight's meeting but my email box filled up and the reply might not have come thru. Does anyone know the speakera and topic for tonight's SLAS meeting? Thanks so much, Jim Stitley
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Jim, (a Repost of yesterday) The SLAS meeting is on Tuesday the 25th @ 7:30pm (not tomorrow) and we will be discussing the recent Columbia tragedy as well as showing a couple of dvd shorts such as 'Powers of Ten'. That is, of course, if the a/v equipment actually works with me this time instead of against me! ;) Dave Bennett President Salt Lake Astronomical Society On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 08:39 AM, Jim Stitley wrote:
OK, Thanks Richard, for clarifying it. I don't know where I get the 3rd Tuesay - thats what happens when one gets old. At least I rememebred it was a Tuesday :) - do I get points for that? Would you happen to know who is speaker and topic NEXT Tuesday? Thanks again, Jim Stitley
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Jim,
SLAS is next week (the 25th), not tonight. It's the 4th Tuesday of each month.
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I wrote yesterday about tonight's meeting but my email box filled up and the reply might not have come thru. Does anyone know the speakera and topic for tonight's SLAS meeting? Thanks so much, Jim Stitley
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Chuck, Hi and thank you! I am looking forward to meeting you and the others when ever the next opportunity presents itself. In the mean time I am plodding along, trying to learn as I go. I also am enjoying (and learning from) watching the e-mail go back and forth among all of you. It is entertaining and educational! Thanks again, Rog Chuck Hards wrote:
Rog, there are initiatives in the club to address the observing needs of people like yourself- we need to thank Bruce Grim especially for this. Bruce is practically a crusader for ADA issues. I believe the trailer-mounted parallelogram mount is finished now. This mount can bring the eyepiece to the observer, instead of vice-versa.
Patrick, can you fill us in on the details? I didn't see Bruce's email on the subscriber list.
I should have a few more parallelograms ready for summer, for those who missed-out last year.
Thanks for the pep-talk!
C.
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Sheesh, sorry if I have offended you in any way. Greg, A young yet sometimes overconfident amateur. --- Imupinthenight@aol.com wrote:
I have been a silent subscriber to Utah Astronomy for a few weeks now and have read with some interest some of what each of you have to say. Sometimes it is easier to listen and try to learn than to ask a bunch of questions.
I was a member of SLAS from September of 01 till September of 02 I met and had conversations with people that I learned to respect for their selves and their opinions. I was also surprised to find way to many people so opinionated and closed minded that I could not believe that they had the education's and knowledge that they did.
When I was first introduced to Astronomy I heard and I quote. " There is only one person in the Club with a computerized scope." No one we know is using CCD, astrophotography is the only way pro's do it.
I'm 53 years of age and had I not have purchased a computerized go to scope I would have a much smaller understanding of the night sky than I currently have. I have been an avid stargazer for two years now and I am still a "rank amateur" and plan on remaining so even to the extent of extending my subscription of Astronomy. I will never consider myself even an amateur astronomer let alone a professional.
I do admire many of you for your knowledge not only of the night sky but many other areas of expertise as well.
Many of you who read this wonder at times "how come more young people aren't interested in what we teach, preach and show them"? What happened to so and so who use to come around? How come he is not in the club?
Well, Utah Astronomy is your group, it's your club, I'm just going to unsubscribe and go back to being a "rank amateur."
Steve Fisher Imupinthenight@aol.com
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