Re: [Utah-astronomy] Joe's article
Thanks for covering the topic, Joe. Although it might be more a task for your political writers, I'd love to see some background on the big money organizations like the Discovery Institute who are behind this. Their ideals of science are pretty much the same as the Taliban's.
The attempt was to spread the ideas out among two articles, thanks, Joe
Actually, Michael, there were three articles in today's paper. The third was by the NY Times on the Discovery Institute. Here are URLs for all three: Discovery Institute: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600157733,00.html Overview, with Tyler's beautiful photo: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600157692,00.html Utahns debate in newslist: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600157691,00.html -- Best wishes, Joe
Joe, I rather like the article, for the most part, but think the headline is stilted: "Utahns' e-mails defend, attack intelligent design" I would have replaced "attack" with a less militant word, or re-written the entire headline. It almost reads as if ID is already an ensconced ideal and science is an upstart band of heathens bent on razing the temple. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Thanks, but I have no say over headlines, best wishes -- Joe
Considering the space limitations, I thought both Joe's articles were well done. I remember taking a journalism class while at the U of U, partly because I thought it would be interesting and partly because I thought I might learn some things that would help me write better papers for my other classes. I still remember to this day the professor telling us to write like every word would cost us a quarter. With the space limitations reporters have in a paper, I think it is hard to get more than a superficial look at something as complex as this ID vs. evolution argument in one or two brief articles. I wrote an article about DST (not anywhere near as important as this ID/evolution debate) for the local Mensa newsletter a year/year and a half ago or so. It was meant to give a history of how DST came into being and then objectively list the arguments for keeping or abolishing it with the article itself remaining neutral. I spent a lot of time on it doing research and only including what I felt was of most importance to keep it as short and succinct as possible. But it was still too long. What ended up appearing in the newsletter turned out to be very superficial and I felt was also edited to slant more toward abolishing DST because I think the editor was more in favor of that side. I felt it made it look like I was biased and had spent maybe 5 minutes researching the topic instead of being the more indepth and objective article that I had written. I always try to keep these experiences of mine in mind when reading articles. Plus, I read Joe's article assuming that he was trying to write from a neutral stance and let each side kind of make or break their own argument, which in my opinion is what responsible reporting is all about. But in my opinion that is something that could possibly be done better through a series of articles instead of a couple short ones. But I'm sure that is more up to the editors in charge, not Joe. Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote: Thanks, but I have no say over headlines, best wishes -- Joe _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
This is a quote from the Discovery Institute article that Joe's peer wrote in today's paper. "We give for religious purposes," said Thomas H. McCallie III, its executive director. "This is not about science, and Darwin wasn't about science. Darwin was about a metaphysical view of the world." OK, from all I remember from The Origin of Species, and it's been quite a few years, I don't remember it being about a metaphysical view of the world. Anyone have any idea where they are getting this from? Is there any truth in their statement or are they twisting things or just plain making this up? --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
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