Object: AAVSO1811-30N Sgr 05 #2 Date: 2005.07 6:58 UTC JD 2453563.7903 Az-Alt: Meridian approx. 18° Position: J181750.77-302631.2 w/i 1.5° southwest of del Sgr Magnitude measured: 9.9 true mag.(extinct. adj. mag); apparent 10.4 AAVSO reported ranges for JD 2453562-63 are: 9.1-9.5 See << http://www.aavso.org/cgi-bin/searchcharts3.pl?name=n%20sgr%2005%232
(Difference attributed to light pollution at observing site)
Magnitude trend: Nova continues to dim from v8.0 on JD2453559 (approx. 4 days), but is easily visible with small aperatures (70mm) in low light polluted skies. Based on the AAVSO light curve trend, that is a linear rate of roughly 0.3 mags per day ( (9.5-8.0)/5) ). The later setting moon will make observations increasingly more difficult until the sky is washed-out around July 15. Observing point: Little Mountain Pass, 10 miles east of Salt Lake City, Utah, Latitude N 40.8, Longitude W 111.9, Altitude approx. 7700 ft. (2347 meters) Scope: 20x70 binoculars, parallelogram mount, 1.5° x 1° TFOV. Charts: Tirion Cambridge Atlas #18; Sky Atlas 2000 #22; AAVSO Variable Star Atlas (2nd 1990) #144. The Cartes de Ciel data listing provided visual magnitudes. For most Tycho stars, Cartes du Ciel reports magnitudes converted from the Tycho system to visual system. Supplemental finding charts - notes: - Area orienting 4 deg area finder http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/NSgr05_2/NSgr05_2_...
From del Sgr, first establish the asterism triangle between del Sgr, HD169586 and 18 Sgr. The del Sgr to HD169586 line is broken by optical doubles HD169377 and HD169337. The del Sgr to 18 Sgr line is broken by globular NGC 6624 (v8.3, dia. 6'). http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/NSgr05_2/NSgr05_2_...
This first asterism triangle distinguishes 18 Sgr from nearby HD168493 (7.0). Establish a second asterism triangle between del Sgr, 18 del and HD168493 (7.0). The asterism line bewteen del Sgr and HD168493 is broken by a small arc asterism including HD319330 (9.6). This second asterism line is used to distinguish between two stars 1/4° south of del Sgr: HD168576 (8.2) and HD168399 (8.9). Other large and useful asterisms within 2.5° of del Sgr are: 1) a triangle including HD167382 (7.3), and, 2) a 1/2° arc including HD166470 (7.7). - 2 deg area finder http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/NSgr05_2/NSgr05_2_... First, establish the small 1/4° triangle asterism defined by del Sgr, HD168576 (8.2) and HD168399 (8.9). http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/NSgr05_2/NSgr05_2_... Second, along the asterism line between HD168493 (7.0) to HD167441 (7.8), find the two sets of optical doubles. The first is defined by HD319238 and HD167845; the second by HD167706 and TYC7392-01064-1. This second set of optical doubles is within a 1/4° of AAVSO1811-30N Sgr 05 #2. The nova will appear to be at or next to the position of TYC7392-00980-1 (10.95), but is clearly much brighter than magnitude 10.9. Estimating magnitudes using detail charts: - AAVSO detail chart - http://www.aavso.org/cgi-bin/shrinkwrap.pl?path=/charts/SGR/NSGR05_2/NSGR05_... - Supplemental chart provided here - http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/NSgr05_2/NSgr05_2_... Using the supplemental chart, establish the "outer" arc asterism defined by TCY392-00404-1 (10.17), GSC7392.722, and TYC39300384-1 (10.2). Then establish the "inner" arc asterism defined by TCY392-00404-1 (10.17), star labelled at magnitude 101 in the AAVSO detail chart, and TYC39300831-1 (10.53). The corresponding stars of the "inner" arc are labelled on the AAVSO detail chart with magnitudes 78, 101 and 103. Magnitude 10.9 star TYC392-00980-1 plots about 6 arcminutes below the nova. Currently (7/12), the nova is distinctly brighter and easily distinguished from the TYC392-00980-1. Magnitude estimation notes: v10.95 TYC7392-00980-1 was not visible in the FOV. Nova 1811-30 Sgr 05 #2 was brighter than "inner arc" stars TYC7392-00404-1 (10.17), TYC7393-00831-1 (10.53) but dimmer than HD167524 (9.39), HD319238 (9.64), HD167616 (9.6), and TYC7392-01964-1 (9.87). Extrafocal extinction was used on the immediate TFOV to locate the best match. Star HD167753 (9.9) appeared to be the closest matching star. See - http://members.csolutions.net/fisherka/astronote/observed/NSgr05_2/NSgr05_2_... ZLM: Not measured using IMO Cygnus LM area. Bortle 4 sky - suburban sky where details of Milky Way are evident, but deteriorates to urban skyglow at horizon. NELM: Unable to measure. Approx. 4.2 based on 4.7 star on AAVSO Atlas Chart 144. No IMO limiting magnitude areas in Sgr. Only stars in figure of Sgr visible with averted vision v4.7 star on AAVSO Altas chart. Nova was not visible from an urban 2.0 light polluted sky. TELM: 11.0 based on TYC7393-00831-1 w/ 0.5 extinction. v10.95 TYC7392-00980-1 within 6 arcmins of nova was not visible. Extinction coefficient applied: 0.55 (AAVSO Average Summer for 2 kilometer above sea level). While you are there - other enjoyable objects in the immediate vicinity: 1) HD169377 (8.4) and HD169337 (7.6), the optical double between del Sgr and HD169586 are both listed by Cartes du Ciel and Simbad as each being a double of about 6" separation. (Using 20x70 binos, I did not split either of these doubles.) 2) Globular clusters near this area include NGC6624 (8.3, dia. 6'). Not observed - NGC 6522 (8.6, dia. 5.6') and NGC 6528 (9.6, dia. 3.7'). 3) For large aperature DSO observers, nearby faint planetary nebula on the Sky 2000.0 chart include (not observed) PK003-6.1 (HD 317397, 11.8, 9x5", J181741.46-290819.2) and PK001-6.2 (HD 167362, 11.9, dia. stellar, J181612.27-305208.1). - Enjoy Canopus56 (Kurt) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
Kurt, you've got it BAD. You should be a full-time astronomer and at least get paid for it! --- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
Object: AAVSO1811-30N Sgr 05 #2 Date: 2005.07 6:58 UTC JD 2453563.7903 Az-Alt: Meridian approx. 18° Position: J181750.77-302631.2 w/i 1.5° southwest of del Sgr
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Naa - I just get frustrated flopping around the sky looking for doubious faint fuzzies. Good notes help. Too bad the moon will wash out that part of the sky by Saturday's SPOC star parties. - K --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kurt, you've got it BAD. You should be a full-time astronomer and at least get paid for it!
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Object: AAVSO1811-30N Sgr 05 #2 Date: 2005.07 6:58 UTC JD 2453563.7903 Az-Alt: Meridian approx. 18° Position: J181750.77-302631.2 w/i 1.5° southwest of del Sgr
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Don't wait for Saturday, go now... ;) Quoting Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com>:
Naa - I just get frustrated flopping around the sky looking for doubious faint fuzzies. Good notes help. Too bad the moon will wash out that part of the sky by Saturday's SPOC star parties. - K
--- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
Kurt, you've got it BAD. You should be a full-time astronomer and at least get paid for it!
--- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
Object: AAVSO1811-30N Sgr 05 #2 Date: 2005.07 6:58 UTC JD 2453563.7903 Az-Alt: Meridian approx. 18° Position: J181750.77-302631.2 w/i 1.5° southwest of del Sgr
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Don't wait for Saturday, go now... ;)
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Become self employed. That ought to take care of the 'paycheck' part of your dilema. ;) Quoting Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>:
I've been trying to think of a way to get by without sleep or a paycheck for years- so far with no luck in either area unfortunately. Until I do figure it out, short of retirement, the (very) occassional weekend will have to suffice for getting the astro fix.
I was quite serious. Self-employment in my business is an option, (Ive done it before) but it actually means many more hours of work per week, less sleep, more time on the road hustling business, administrative headaches, and ulitmately much, much less time for all elective activities including hobbies. Money and free time just don't fall out of the sky for all small businessmen unfortunately. In retrospect I guess I should have bought that Starbucks franchise when I had the chance! ;) But it's not a race. The sky will still be there when I do get that free time, and anyway I've already lived through a period when this hobby occupied a true majority of all my time, for a lot of years- I did plan my life around the lunar phases for a time, ages ago. It'll come around again, no worries, this time in proper perspective. --- diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
Become self employed. That ought to take care of the 'paycheck' part of your dilema. ;)
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--- diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
Become self employed. That ought to take care of the 'paycheck' part of your dilema. ;)
Which way? - Increase it, or reduce it to zero? -:) --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
I've been trying to think of a way to get by without sleep or a paycheck for years- so far with no luck in either area unfortunately.
Please, leave some room for cognitive denial for the rest of us. -:) But, seriously, hasn't observational planning software IMHO and GOTO has taken some of the time consuming drudgery out of it? - Canopus56 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Reduce it to zero of course. Who needs the headache's that accompany a paycheck? ;) Quoting Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com>:
--- diveboss@xmission.com wrote:
Become self employed. That ought to take care of the 'paycheck' part of your dilema. ;)
Which way? - Increase it, or reduce it to zero? -:)
Hi Kurt, I take a LOT of heat for my attitude these days, but I've always just used a hand-written list when I've planned my observational time that tightly. The hunt is a big part of the attraction, and using my own scope, I rarely take more than a minute, two tops, to find my target-if it's visible at all- there is no drudgery involved. Can take longer with an unfamiliar instrument, but those times are very rare. Obviously if hunting down a faint extragalactic supernova, a digital advantage shouldn't be dismissed lightly, but there are few exceptions really; as far as my personal inclinations go. I've seen constellations change outline from naked-eye novae...the telescopic ones almost never make it onto my list. Having learned to navigate the sky in the pre-digital age does have its advantages (this summer marks my 37th year of astronomical telescope use); I'm sure Brent will agree with me. --- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote:
But, seriously, hasn't observational planning software IMHO and GOTO has taken some of the time consuming drudgery out of it?
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--- Canopus56 <canopus56@yahoo.com> wrote: [snip all] Did a supplemental look-see at N Sgr 05 #2 - 9.7 (visual). I improved my reading of the star field and retook a lower magnitude reading at 9.7; 10.2 apparent. Conditions were the same as yesterday, but seeing was worse do to wind. (Decided yesterday's reading of 9.9 was in error.) Object: AAVSO1811-30N Sgr 05 #2 Date: 2005.07.13 7:04 UTC 2453564.7944 Magnitude measured: 9.7 true mag.(visual, extinct. adj. mag); apparent 10.2 (visual) AAVSO reported raw ranges for JD 2453562-64 are: 9.1-9.5 - mostly CCD through J-band filter reports See << http://www.aavso.org/cgi-bin/searchcharts3.pl?name=n%20sgr%2005%232
Seeing: A-III; A-II on 6/13. Alt_object: approx. 18° Magnitude trend: Nova continues to dim from v8.0 on JD2453559 (approx. 4 days), but is easily visible with small aperatures (70mm) in low light polluted skies. Based on the AAVSO light curve trend, that is a linear rate of roughly 0.3 mags per day ( (9.5-8.0)/5) ). The later setting moon will make observations increasingly more difficult until the sky is washed-out around July 15. Observing point: Little Mountain Pass, 10 miles east of Salt Lake City, Utah, Latitude N 40.8, Longitude W 111.9, Altitude approx. 7700 ft. (2347 meters) Scope: 20x70 binoculars, parallelogram mount, 1.5° x 1° TFOV. See prior 7/13 post for other details. - Enjoy Canopus56 (Kurt) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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