Larry and Chuck have both made excellent points.  Perhaps I should have written "just for profit business."   Making a profit isn't bad or sinful, its appropriate and fair - when it is reasonable.  It's only my opinion, but Meade lost its focus when it went public.  Going after profit at the expense of quality, reputation and customer service.   I haven't forgotten the 750 Billion "bailout" of Wall Street foisted on America by GWB.  As soon as the money flowed in, CEOs and top level managers took huge multi-million "bonuses" straight from the bailout as a pat on the back for managing the companies so poorly.