Are we going to start this pointless debate again? Everyone who believes in Man Made Global Warming line up on the far LEFT Everyone who Believes that Global Warming is part of natural cycle line up on the RIGHT. When the bell rings, everyone start sending links back and forth. Ready - - - GO! Thank you. Now can we get back to Astronomy? Bob Taylor ___________________________ Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:49:40 -0700 From: stormcrow60@xmission.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Global Cooling? Message-ID: <20090303114940.vo3wjyv4ecks4wkc@webmail.xmission.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Hi Joe, Although I am not disputing the fact that sunspots and sun activity affects the temperature of our planet... I mean, how could it not? But, for those that say global warming is not man-made are still in denial and try to muck up the water and the truth regarding global warming. For instance, NOAA recently released a global warming report and some right wing newspaper or organization responded (can't remember who it was), while cherry picking data out of the report. They were claiming that NOAA's conclusion was that global warming was natural and not man-made and that Arctic sea ice was growing. However, when the NOAA scientists were informed their study and their data was being taken out of context, they called this organization out and set them straight. These are the deceptive tactics of those who see scientific fact and public opinion turning away from the status quo. These organizations, such as American Heritage Foundation, The Petroleum Institute, CATO and others are "paying" their psuedo-scientists to make these false statements. Why are these organizations doing this? Because they are financially supported by the fossil fuel corporations. They stand to lose billions and billions of dollars in the near future. Whereas NOAA is a government institute. NOAA scientists receive no monetary gain from supporting global warming facts. They will make their 100K/year (or less) no matter what they state. In fact, The Bush admin stifled the real data from global warming reports for years. They even went so far as to edit environmental and global warming reports, so it would reflect the Bush admins viewpoint. I mean, its like denying that evolution is real. These institutes that try to deceive the public are the same ones that lied to us about WMD's in Iraq, allowed the Hurricane Katrina fiasco to occur and got us into the economic fix we are in today with their ponzi schemes. They even denied we were even in a recession during the presidential campaign. Did you notice the "R" word was not uttered during the campaign and only emerged afterward? Then it was told to the public that we had been in a recession since December 2007? Why? Because this would have made it that much more difficult for John McCain to win the election. How can anyone believe what these organizations say? They spout lies in the media on a daily basis. Now I know some of you will retort, or wonder why I am saying this on the Utah Astronomy blog. But this is scientific fact, and it affects our planet, the only one we know of in the cosmos that supports life... intelligent life. Also realize I am only responding to the initial link to Joes article, which in itself had this particular paragraph: "Last year brought a reverse in the trend of rising global temperatures, reports the Goddard Institute for Space Studies, a NASA branch in New York City. "Calendar year 2008 was the coolest year since 2000," the institute added. Its report was issued on Dec. 16, 2008, and updated on Jan. 13. It may seem a paradox, but 2008 also was the ninth-warmest year since weather observers began making careful measurements in 1880. That's because, while 2008 was cooler, it was still part of a period of generally high temperature." I believe global warming is the largest threat to humans and our civilization. 98% of U.S. and international scientists and international scientific organizations will agree with me. The only ones that do not are on the fossil fuel industry payroll. Thanks for your time. Jon