I have to agree with Kim. From Wolf Creek I thought it was a very good show. It definitely wasn't as impressive as the Leonid's of 2001 but I thought it was a very nice shower. I arrived at the Wolf Creek site at about midnight and noticed several through the windshield on the way there. I continued observing until just after 5 a.m. I didn't do any counting but I would estimate that there were a number of times that the rate was well above 60/hr. I specifically noticed more than one occasion that there were two visible at the same time. I managed to watch (with my eyes open) through 5 a.m. to see if there was any significant increase in the rate at the predicted peak. It didn't seem like it to me. In fact I thought the meteor show was noticeably better before ~3 a.m. when Venus and the moon showed up for the party. (Although I must admit they were an impressive sight in their own right.) I had had a very busy and long day but I consider it to have been very well worth the drive and the missed sleep. Two thumbs up for the Perseid Show at Wolf Creek from this reviewer. Ivo Stutznegger from Sandy, UT. Observing from Duchesne Ridge/Wolf Creek p.s. Much thanks to Dave or Kim or Don or whoever gathered up my chair, tripod, etc. and brought it over while I snoozed! Kim Hyatt wrote: I'm surprised to see so many rather negative reports. I suspect it has more to do with folks not observing from a clear, dark site, a must for meteor observing. Our experience at Wolf Creek was great. We saw many bright (mag 0 to -2 or so) meteors, most of which left trains that lasted two or three seconds. For about an hour beginning at around 11:30, my young son counted 47 Perseids, a respectable rate for a 6-year-old. After a 15-minute nap he insisted on getting up again to see some more, but when he reached 50 he finally threw in the towel and went to sleep. My wife stopped counting at 100 over a period of a couple hours. I only made one attempt at a serious count. Between 12:15 and 12:30 I counted 15 Perseids while observing directly overhead. For last night's conditions at Wolf Creek, that count would yield a ZHR of 60, just what to expect for a good Perseid event. By 5:00, the hour of the predicted maximum, I was too tired to observe seriously, but the Moon and twilight would have made it difficult to determine whether the "peak" rate was any better. 27 years ago last night I proposed to my wife while observing the Perseids from my parents' back yard. Rarely since have conditions allowed for a repeat of the (celestial) activity we experienced then. Last night was an exception. Kim Hyatt Architect 1849 East 1300 South Salt Lake City, Utah 84108 801.631.5228 kimharch at msn.com<mailto:kimharch at msn.com> serius est quam cogitas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com