Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period. there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear. Deloy Pierce
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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I'm having an Ahah! moment. The DEIS implies the coal produced by Alton would be shipped "out of state" but it is not made clear as to where it will go. Although I still see shipping to China as prohibitively expensive, anything is possible. They may need more coal than they can mine in their own country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:57:47 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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According to this article in the Tribune, the coal will be transported to IPP north of Delta. Most of that power goes to California, and the rest is consumed in the west. I don't believe any of it goes to the Wasatch Front. ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I'm having an Ahah! moment. The DEIS implies the coal produced by Alton would be shipped "out of state" but it is not made clear as to where it will go. Although I still see shipping to China as prohibitively expensive, anything is possible. They may need more coal than they can mine in their own country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:57:47 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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Thanks Brent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Watson" <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:17:06 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's According to this article in the Tribune, the coal will be transported to IPP north of Delta. Most of that power goes to California, and the rest is consumed in the west. I don't believe any of it goes to the Wasatch Front. ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I'm having an Ahah! moment. The DEIS implies the coal produced by Alton would be shipped "out of state" but it is not made clear as to where it will go. Although I still see shipping to China as prohibitively expensive, anything is possible. They may need more coal than they can mine in their own country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:57:47 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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I forgot the URL. Here it is: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51422606-76/coal-mine-company-alton.html.c... ________________________________ From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's According to this article in the Tribune, the coal will be transported to IPP north of Delta. Most of that power goes to California, and the rest is consumed in the west. I don't believe any of it goes to the Wasatch Front. ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I'm having an Ahah! moment. The DEIS implies the coal produced by Alton would be shipped "out of state" but it is not made clear as to where it will go. Although I still see shipping to China as prohibitively expensive, anything is possible. They may need more coal than they can mine in their own country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:57:47 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
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Even better, the link! Interesting article. It didn't mention the DEIS is out and is open to public review and hearings are being held now. It also appears that local support for the project is not at high as some might believe. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Watson" <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:25:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I forgot the URL. Here it is: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51422606-76/coal-mine-company-alton.html.c... ________________________________ From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's According to this article in the Tribune, the coal will be transported to IPP north of Delta. Most of that power goes to California, and the rest is consumed in the west. I don't believe any of it goes to the Wasatch Front. ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I'm having an Ahah! moment. The DEIS implies the coal produced by Alton would be shipped "out of state" but it is not made clear as to where it will go. Although I still see shipping to China as prohibitively expensive, anything is possible. They may need more coal than they can mine in their own country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:57:47 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
Deloy Pierce _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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Here's a good editorial from the Trib: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/52864660-82/mine-coal-blm-expansion.htm... ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Even better, the link! Interesting article. It didn't mention the DEIS is out and is open to public review and hearings are being held now. It also appears that local support for the project is not at high as some might believe. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brent Watson" <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:25:11 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I forgot the URL. Here it is: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/51422606-76/coal-mine-company-alton.html.c... ________________________________ From: Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's According to this article in the Tribune, the coal will be transported to IPP north of Delta. Most of that power goes to California, and the rest is consumed in the west. I don't believe any of it goes to the Wasatch Front. ________________________________ From: "jcarman6@q.com" <jcarman6@q.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's I'm having an Ahah! moment. The DEIS implies the coal produced by Alton would be shipped "out of state" but it is not made clear as to where it will go. Although I still see shipping to China as prohibitively expensive, anything is possible. They may need more coal than they can mine in their own country. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:57:47 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Joan, the coal is transported to China, not the electricity. Again, I'm not positive about that, but thought I read it somewhere in this thread in the past. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jcarman6@q.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 1:09 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Sorry Mat, I had to reply to this. How is Alton (or anyone) going to transfer electricity across the Pacific Ocean to China? China is building its own coal fired power plants as fast as possible, with probably a tremendous abundance of nature resources available within their own country, as they haven't been burning coal like the rest of the industrialized world for centuries. Of course, those plants add to air pollution and the global warming problem. However, are you going to deny the Chinese people electricity? We in America can have it but you can't cause it adds to global warming? Opps, I forgot, we are in Utah and there is no such thing as global warming or air pollution (read sad laugh here) The real problem is balancing the demand for electricity and the form in which we produce it against the drain of natural resources and resultant pollution factors. This is not an easy task, for anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mat Hutchings (H USA)" <mat.hutchings@siemens.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's Isn't the Alton mine destined to meet China's electrical demands? I thought that is what I read somewhere. Mat -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of erikhansen@thebluezone.net Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:54 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
Deloy Pierce _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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Actually, from my days as an environmental reporter, I recall that much of the haze in the Grand Canyon is of the regional variety, having drifted in from Mexico City. Then too, the canyon is just naturally hazy sometimes, as seen in photographs taken in the 1870s. -- Joe ________________________________ From: "erikhansen@thebluezone.net" <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Alton Mine & Clear Views at NP's
The Alton mine seems destined to meet California's insatiable appetite for electricity.
We spent a total of 10 weeks at te Grand Canyon over a 10 year period.
there were many days you couldn't get a clear picture of the canyon because of air pollution that had migrated from LA. Only after a good rain was the air really clear.
Deloy Pierce _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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