Plan B 3.0 is a free book available on the internet (download). The true cost of gasoline may amaze you and this was in about 2007. "For a gasoline tax, the most detailed analysis available of indirect costs is found in The Real Price of Gasoline by the International Center for Technology Assessment. The many indirect costs to society—including climate change, oil industry tax breaks, oil supply protection, oil industry subsidies, and treatment of auto exhaust-related respiratory illnesses—total around $12 per gallon, slightly more than the cost to society of smoking a pack of cigarettes. If this external or social cost is added to the roughly $3 per gallon average price of gas in the United States in early 2007, gas would cost $15 a gallon. These are real costs. Someone bears them. If not us, our children. Now that these costs have been calculated, they can be used to set tax rates on gasoline, just as the CDC analysis is being used to raise taxes on cigarettes." The book (Google PB3) makes for depressing reading so be warned! Steve
Always a good idea to keep political topics off the Astronomy board. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Peterson Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:23 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline Plan B 3.0 is a free book available on the internet (download). The true cost of gasoline may amaze you and this was in about 2007. "For a gasoline tax, the most detailed analysis available of indirect costs is found in The Real Price of Gasoline by the International Center for Technology Assessment. The many indirect costs to society-including climate change, oil industry tax breaks, oil supply protection, oil industry subsidies, and treatment of auto exhaust-related respiratory illnesses-total around $12 per gallon, slightly more than the cost to society of smoking a pack of cigarettes. If this external or social cost is added to the roughly $3 per gallon average price of gas in the United States in early 2007, gas would cost $15 a gallon. These are real costs. Someone bears them. If not us, our children. Now that these costs have been calculated, they can be used to set tax rates on gasoline, just as the CDC analysis is being used to raise taxes on cigarettes." The book (Google PB3) makes for depressing reading so be warned! Steve _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
From past bad experiences, I have to agree with Bob. I used to enjoy a free-wheeling exchange of ideas on this discussion board but now realize it tends to get too heated. In my opinion we're united by an interest in astronomy and should strive to remain friendly. Thanks, Joe
--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Robert Taylor <robtaylorslc@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Robert Taylor <robtaylorslc@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline To: "'Utah Astronomy'" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 7:45 AM Always a good idea to keep political topics off the Astronomy board.
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Peterson Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:23 AM To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline
Plan B 3.0 is a free book available on the internet (download). The true cost of gasoline may amaze you and this was in about 2007.
"For a gasoline tax, the most detailed analysis available of indirect costs is found in The Real Price of Gasoline by the International Center for Technology Assessment. The many indirect costs to society-including climate change, oil industry tax breaks, oil supply protection, oil industry subsidies, and treatment of auto exhaust-related respiratory illnesses-total around $12 per gallon, slightly more than the cost to society of smoking a pack of cigarettes. If this external or social cost is added to the roughly $3 per gallon average price of gas in the United States in early 2007, gas would cost $15 a gallon. These are real costs. Someone bears them. If not us, our children. Now that these costs have been calculated, they can be used to set tax rates on gasoline, just as the CDC analysis is being used to raise taxes on cigarettes."
The book (Google PB3) makes for depressing reading so be warned!
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The news reported that a barrel of oil is traded on an average 40 times. Oil is produced faster than we consume it, speculation not demand brings the price up. The price is double from 16 months ago, will $10 a gallon change your driving? The price of gas will get me to finish adapting my observatory, and as for SPOC it will make it unlikely I will drive out there in ify weather. I guess I should find a chauffeur.
Gas prices in europe are higher along with average mpg, meaning europeans probably spend less money on transportation. My recollection of Europe is that you don't need a car, mass transit goes everywhere. Plan B 3.0 is a free book available on the internet (download). The true
cost of gasoline may amaze you and this was in about 2007.
"For a gasoline tax, the most detailed analysis available of indirect costs is found in The Real Price of Gasoline by the International Center for Technology Assessment. The many indirect costs to societyincluding climate change, oil industry tax breaks, oil supply protection, oil industry subsidies, and treatment of auto exhaust-related respiratory illnessestotal around $12 per gallon, slightly more than the cost to society of smoking a pack of cigarettes. If this external or social cost is added to the roughly $3 per gallon average price of gas in the United States in early 2007, gas would cost $15 a gallon. These are real costs. Someone bears them. If not us, our children. Now that these costs have been calculated, they can be used to set tax rates on gasoline, just as the CDC analysis is being used to raise taxes on cigarettes."
The book (Google PB3) makes for depressing reading so be warned!
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Good luck packing that Dob on the bus or train. And I doubt the bus makes runs to dark-sky sites. On 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Gas prices in europe are higher along with average mpg, meaning europeans probably spend less money on transportation. My recollection of Europe is that you don't need a car, mass transit goes everywhere.
Does Europe have dark-sky sites?
How about a Trax-line to Stansbury? I imagine the true impact will be fewer guests willing to drive to Stansbury. Good luck packing that Dob on the bus or train. And I doubt the bus
makes runs to dark-sky sites.
On 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Gas prices in europe are higher along with average mpg, meaning europeans probably spend less money on transportation. My recollection of Europe is that you don't need a car, mass transit goes everywhere.
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Yes. Paranal, Chile and any other site where the European Southern Observatory telescopes are loated. --- On Wed, 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote: From: erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 12:59 PM
Does Europe have dark-sky sites?
How about a Trax-line to Stansbury? I imagine the true impact will be fewer guests willing to drive to Stansbury. Good luck packing that Dob on the bus or train. And I doubt the bus
makes runs to dark-sky sites.
On 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Gas prices in europe are higher along with average mpg, meaning europeans probably spend less money on transportation. My recollection of Europe is that you don't need a car, mass transit goes everywhere.
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Aren't Alpaca's the primary mode of transport in Chile? Just give em grass.
Lol. Don't forget the Canary Islands.
It's only a couple of bus transfers...
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Yes. Paranal, Chile and any other site where the European Southern Observatory telescopes are loated.
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The problem with alpacas is that you can't carry much in the way of astro equipment, and they can be notoriously slow. A better choice, albeit less ecconomical, would be an elephant. More trunk space. Ba-dum-bum. On 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Aren't Alpaca's the primary mode of transport in Chile? Just give em grass.
That is bad, really bad. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 11:57:25 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline The problem with alpacas is that you can't carry much in the way of astro equipment, and they can be notoriously slow. A better choice, albeit less ecconomical, would be an elephant. More trunk space. Ba-dum-bum. On 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Aren't Alpaca's the primary mode of transport in Chile? Just give em grass.
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Ivory sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Hards" <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 12:04:23 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline Oh tusk-tusk, Steve. ;o) On 3/10/11, sfisher01@comcast.net <sfisher01@comcast.net> wrote:
That is bad, really bad.
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Yeah, but the emissions are much higher... Dan On Mar 10, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Chuck Hards wrote:
The problem with alpacas is that you can't carry much in the way of astro equipment, and they can be notoriously slow.
A better choice, albeit less ecconomical, would be an elephant.
More trunk space.
Ba-dum-bum.
On 3/9/11, erikhansen@thebluezone.net <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Aren't Alpaca's the primary mode of transport in Chile? Just give em grass.
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Haven't been to the zoo lately, have you? :-) Dan On Mar 10, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Only momentarily.
On 3/10/11, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
Yeah, but the emissions are much higher...
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You should differentiate between CO2 or other gaseous emissions and particulate emissions. I think only diesels put out particulates comparable to the emissions of pachyderms. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Holmes Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:20 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cost of gasoline Haven't been to the zoo lately, have you? :-) Dan On Mar 10, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Chuck Hards wrote:
Only momentarily.
On 3/10/11, Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> wrote:
Yeah, but the emissions are much higher...
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