Yes, research is done by individuals, government has been in the way (lets not confuse rhetoric and reality) in the last 8 years on many fronts. More can be done to facilitate research in the way of funding, perhaps less on mating habits of animals in Alaska however. Private industry cannot provide all the needed funding, the oil industry probably is the exception of that. Much research has little immediate potential for creating profit desired by capitalists. --- Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu wrote: From: Dale Hooper <Dale.Hooper@sdl.usu.edu> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:43:46 -0700 So, you don't suppose that a grenade such as, "As everyone knows, Bush's administration has been an absolute failure in this regard". Could possibly be taken *the wrong way* by anyone? Over the next four years scientific advancements will ALSO be credited to individuals, universities and private industry. I don't see Obama heading to the lab any time soon. The best thing government can do is get out of the way. Clear skies. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Kim Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:44 PM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Well, I have always thought of myself as a realist, but maybe I've been wrong all this time. ;-) I know of no news analyst, politician, news organization, science institution or otherwise that gives the Bush credit for any advances in the sciences during his tenure in the White House. The fact that advances have been made during the past eight years is credit to individuals, universities and private industry and not to the Bush administration. And, for what it's worth, I don't consider improved abilities to kill people scientific advancement. As Dave pointed out, I'm still a male. I just have one of those names... Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Allred Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:43 AM To: 'Utah Astronomy' Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Science Challenges for the Next Administration Personally, I think she is the realist. Bush has been a disaster. IMHO I can't think of anything he has managed well. You cannot give him credit for the scientific advances that have occurred despite his incompetence. Tyler No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: 11/9/2008 9:53 AM _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com