Bad moon phase for perseids this year for sure. Watch them from your computer monitor? What has become of Astronomy?

I've been away from this computer for awhile so I've missed some of the

threads. There may have been more to this that I missed, but I still have to ask: what's the point of holding such an event just a few hours before the full Moon?

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David, The shot of Andromeda is excellent. I am jealous! Rodger Fry -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Rankin Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:41 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Andromeda Shot this one the other night. http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4572&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Enjoy! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

I'm green with envy. Nice work!!!!!

Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:41:26 -0700 From: David@rankinstudio.com To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Andromeda

Shot this one the other night.

http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4572&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Enjoy!

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Nice. Just goes to show that one does not necessarily have to wait for new Moon to take pictures and that a little moonshine isn't all that bad. patrick On 13 Aug 2011, at 13:41, David Rankin wrote:

Shot this one the other night.

http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4572&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Enjoy!

Thanks Joe, It was with the DSLR. - David On 8/13/2011 5:24 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:

Excellent, David! Was this with your DSLR? Best wishes, Joe

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Shot this one the other night.

http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4572&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Enjoy!

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Hi Debbie, It is a modified camera. I modified it myself, remove the IR cut filter and also installed a peltier cooling system: http://www.rankinstudio.com/dslrmod It has taken a while to get everything functioning well. I have a lot of weight on my Atlas, it took a lot of work to get it to run well. When the wind kicks up all all, my shots are ruined. Eventually I plan on building an observatory and getting the mount on a concrete pier. That should help a lot. Cheers, -David On 8/13/2011 5:29 PM, Debbie wrote:

I love it David. Is that a modified camera? The tracking looks good too. I guess it takes lots of practice to get things right.

Debbie

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Shot this one the other night.

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Enjoy!

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Debbie:I couldn't help but jump in here. Atlas mounts are famous for being QUIET! Much quieter than any Meade, or Celestron I have ever owned. My Atlas was super quiet. I miss that.Steve

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Hi David,

Thanks for the info. I don't think I'd attempt anything like that myself but may have it done by a pro like Gary Honis.

I had a question about your Orion Atlas-G mount. Back in June, my friend had this Orion Atlas mount in his yard. It had this high pitched squeal and it was very noisy. The sound drove his dog nuts. Are those Atlas mounts all that noisy or was that just that particular mount?

Debbie

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:

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Hi Debbie,

It is a modified camera. I modified it myself, remove the IR cut filter and also installed a peltier cooling system:

http://www.rankinstudio.com/**dslrmod<http://www.rankinstudio.com/dslrmod>

It has taken a while to get everything functioning well. I have a lot of weight on my Atlas, it took a lot of work to get it to run well. When the wind kicks up all all, my shots are ruined. Eventually I plan on building an observatory and getting the mount on a concrete pier. That should help a lot.

Cheers,

-David

On 8/13/2011 5:29 PM, Debbie wrote:

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I love it David. Is that a modified camera? The tracking looks good too. I guess it takes lots of practice to get things right.

Debbie

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:41 PM, David Rankin<David@rankinstudio.com>** wrote:

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Shot this one the other night.

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Enjoy!

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Sorry, I meant sky watcher EQ-6: http://www.opticstar.com/Run/Astronomy/Astro.asp?p=0_10_2_0_0 -David On 8/13/2011 7:56 PM, David Rankin wrote:

Debbie,

Yeah, getting them professionally done is a good idea. I do know the inside of the XSi very well though. I would be glad to mod your camera if that is the model you have (free of charge). I have taken mine apart many times.

There are a few modifications you can do. One replaces the IR cut filter with a Baader astro filter that preserves the auto focus function of the lens's you use. The other just removes the IR cut filter and replaces it with nothing. This makes the auto focus function fail when you are shooting with any lenses for normal purposes. After the modification, you will be stuck with a camera that has a lot of red in the shots. This can be fixed with an external IR filter you put on the lens, or a clip in one (has its own issues with lens compatibility). Another way to fix the color for daytime use is a custom white balance. I found this to work well. The reds are enhanced just a tad, but it is the easiest way to to use the camera after it is modified. I ended up getting two rebels, one for astro work, and one for daytime work.

Regarding the Atlas. I am not sure what others experiences are but yes, they can make some very ugly noises when they are starting and stopping their high speed slews. This noise is coming from the idle gear that is between the gear that drives the worm and the tear attached to the motor. They didn't install any bearings on this gear, just copper washers, so as it starts to speed up, the pressure causes some sort of harmonic vibrations that cause the gear to make some nasty sounds. The mount also makes a very high pitched "shew whit" sound while it is tracking. It is not loud, I find it kind of pleasant.

What I did to fix the nasty start and stop high speed slews sound was to replace the copper washers with Teflon ones. That seems to have done the trick. This is a very well documented problem with the atlas mounts. If you join the Yahoo EQ-G EQ-6 group you will see it comes up a lot. It is not a hard modification, and they say if you don't mind the sound it actually isn't doing any damage to the mount. I am just one of those need to know guys so I tore mine apart.

All in all the Atlas is a great mount. It is pretty much a clone of the Sky Scan EQ-6 that Orion has made changes to. I did hypertune mine and have some instructions I found online for doing so also posted on my site. For the money, you cant beat the atlas's weight capacity and accuracy.

Cheers,

David

On 8/13/2011 6:29 PM, Debbie wrote:

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Hi David,

Thanks for the info. I don't think I'd attempt anything like that myself but may have it done by a pro like Gary Honis.

I had a question about your Orion Atlas-G mount. Back in June, my friend had this Orion Atlas mount in his yard. It had this high pitched squeal and it was very noisy. The sound drove his dog nuts. Are those Atlas mounts all that noisy or was that just that particular mount?

Debbie

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM, David Rankin<David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:

...

Hi Debbie,

It is a modified camera. I modified it myself, remove the IR cut filter and also installed a peltier cooling system:

http://www.rankinstudio.com/**dslrmod<http://www.rankinstudio.com/dslrmod>

It has taken a while to get everything functioning well. I have a lot of weight on my Atlas, it took a lot of work to get it to run well. When the wind kicks up all all, my shots are ruined. Eventually I plan on building an observatory and getting the mount on a concrete pier. That should help a lot.

Cheers,

-David

On 8/13/2011 5:29 PM, Debbie wrote:

...

I love it David. Is that a modified camera? The tracking looks good too. I guess it takes lots of practice to get things right.

Debbie

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:41 PM, David Rankin<David@rankinstudio.com>** wrote:

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Shot this one the other night.

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Steve, Not all of them have that problem, but a lot of people get mounts that do. Mine did, and if you google it, you will get page after page. It is a well documented issue. Ramp down noise, grinding noise. ect. As I said, it really doesn't affect the performance and it is easy enough to fix. They should be hyper tuned regardless just because of the performance gain. I forgot to post this: http://www.rankinstudio.com/eq6rebuild As the CGEM is another few grand in price, you can't beat the atlas for the money. I have seen hypertuned atlas mounts go on cloudynights for 900$. Cheers, David On 8/13/2011 8:37 PM, Steve Fisher wrote:

David:That really does suprise me. Mine was indeed an EQ-6 Pro (White in color) and I never remember hearing those kind of noises out of it. Bill Cowles and others have commented on Cloudy Nights as to how quiet they are. Different experience for different folks eh?Steve> > Regarding the Atlas. I am not sure what others experiences are but yes,

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they can make some very ugly noises when they are starting and stopping their high speed slews. This noise is coming from the idle gear that is between the gear that drives the worm and the tear attached to the motor. They didn't install any bearings on this gear, just copper washers, so as it starts to speed up, the pressure causes some sort of harmonic vibrations that cause the gear to make some nasty sounds. The mount also makes a very high pitched "shew whit" sound while it is tracking. It is not loud, I find it kind of pleasant.

What I did to fix the nasty start and stop high speed slews sound was to replace the copper washers with Teflon ones. That seems to have done the trick. This is a very well documented problem with the atlas mounts. If you join the Yahoo EQ-G EQ-6 group you will see it comes up a lot. It is not a hard modification, and they say if you don't mind the sound it actually isn't doing any damage to the mount. I am just one of those need to know guys so I tore mine apart.

All in all the Atlas is a great mount. It is pretty much a clone of the Sky Scan EQ-6 that Orion has made changes to. I did hypertune mine and have some instructions I found online for doing so also posted on my site. For the money, you cant beat the atlas's weight capacity and accuracy.

Cheers,

David

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Thanks Dave, I have learned some tricks over the last few years that help a lot. I'm sure you will be able to take some nice pictures, just a matter of long exposures, decent tracking, and some processing skills. I really dont have a lot of money into my setup. Rebel XSi is still one of the best models of DSLR to shoot with even with the newest rebels coming out. You can get them on KSL for around 350$ - 400$. My camera is nowhere near the quality of the stuff some of the guys shoot with here, but DSLR's are capable of producing some images that are easily on par with the highest end CCD cameras out there. A good example is the work Ivan Eder has done with one of the oldest Canon Digital Rebels: http://eder.csillagaszat.hu/deepsky/deepsky.htm He now shoots with a 5D Mark II, but if you look down a ways - there are some stunning images with a rebel 350D (which had some issues as an astro cam). I just recently got into planetary imaging and processing. I have to say I enjoy it a lot. Shooting mostly static deep space objects is fun, but being able to capture images of motion and changing dynamics of a planet is rather rewarding. Those last few images of Jupiter were really the best I have ever shot and that was probably just because I finally got some decent seeing conditions to shoot in. Cheers, David On 8/14/2011 5:24 AM, Dave Gary wrote:

I look at everyone’s gallery posts and dream of one day being able to post something worth looking at. Your last few posts, Dave, show marked improvement. The Jupiter shots were very good. I mean no disrespect, but the last image posted of Andromeda looked like something Tyler had done. If I could do one shot like Tyler‘s worst-ever, I’d call it good and hang it up. Sadly, that will never happen. I’m destined for less than mediocrity and plenty of it. However, there’s always hope.

Keep up the good work.

Dave On Aug 13, 2011, at 1:41 PM, David Rankin wrote:

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Shot this one the other night.

http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4572&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Enjoy!

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A movie to be very very proud of, David! ________________________________ From: David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter (last post from this data) I finally got around to processing out all of the color images from the other night. Took a good 4 hours to get this put together. The animation shows 38 minutes of rotation: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=4575 Cheers, - David _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php

nice... I may go out in the front yard, but tomorrow night looks nice for Lakeside On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 9:48 PM, David Rankin <David@rankinstudio.com>wrote:

Thank you Joe :)

If it clears up tonight, may say hello to my friend Jupiter again.

David

On 8/14/2011 4:15 PM, Joe Bauman wrote:

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A movie to be very very proud of, David!

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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Jupiter (last post from this data)

I finally got around to processing out all of the color images from the other night. Took a good 4 hours to get this put together. The animation shows 38 minutes of rotation:

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Cheers,

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I thought that I did a pretty good job of hiding my condition - well, at least that one. What gave me away? I hope I wasn't seen marking trees again. Chuck, you always make me smile, if not actually laugh out loud. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:01 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] "Up All Night" On 8/12/11, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:

There may have been more to this that I missed, but I still have to ask: what's the point of holding such an event just a few hours before the full Moon?

I know, I worry too. It's really embarrassing when the werewolf transformation happens just as the host finally takes your call. Hope there's lots of mouthwash in the bathroom, come moonset.