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http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh@holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin
Ah, yes, the nova search. With the tiny fields of view I work with these days nova searches are history. But at least a couple of us here on UA used to be into it in a big way. Back in the mid 70s a guy in california called Ben Meyer started the PROBLICOM (Projection Blink Comparator) program wherein he coordinated folks all around the world taking wide angle shots of the sky on film of specific portions of the sky. Locally I think the only participants were Bruce Grim, Charlie Green and me. I've got boxes and binders full of slides taken over the years of the 4 portions of the sky I was assigned. None of us found anything. And I think we all agreed that taking the images was easy but processing the film and then trying to examine them with all manner of homemade devices was a pain. patrick On 02 Feb 2013, at 17:43, Daniel Holmes wrote:
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
My mistake. I thought you did both SN and nova searches...and I didn't realize you gave up minor planet searches either. I remember you talking about it a while ago, so I figured you still did a few runs as part of your other data collecting activities... Dan -- Sent from an iPad. There should be less mispelings, but more errors. On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Ah, yes, the nova search.
With the tiny fields of view I work with these days nova searches are history.
But at least a couple of us here on UA used to be into it in a big way.
Back in the mid 70s a guy in california called Ben Meyer started the PROBLICOM (Projection Blink Comparator) program wherein he coordinated folks all around the world taking wide angle shots of the sky on film of specific portions of the sky.
Locally I think the only participants were Bruce Grim, Charlie Green and me.
I've got boxes and binders full of slides taken over the years of the 4 portions of the sky I was assigned.
None of us found anything. And I think we all agreed that taking the images was easy but processing the film and then trying to examine them with all manner of homemade devices was a pain.
patrick
On 02 Feb 2013, at 17:43, Daniel Holmes wrote:
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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The cool part is, Patrick's minor planet discoveries are *his alone, in the entire universe*. People who "discover" supernovae are merely the first humans to see them. They were almost certainly discovered by beings in the host galaxy, or a galaxy closer to the event than us. Or even a being on a planet in our own galaxy between earth and the supernova. Even classical novae, unless very close to earth, have a chance of being seen by others closer to them, before us.
On 03 Feb 2013, at 07:41, Daniel Holmes wrote:
...and I didn't realize you gave up minor planet searches either.
"Gave up" may not be entirely accurate. On slow nights I have been known to point the scope at areas of the sky where the MPC says no known minor planets exist and shoot a few pictures. But with the wide-field automated searches gobbling new finds (most of those fainter than mag 20) every night many of us with modest sized telescopes read the writing on the wall long ago and switched to follow up work on known MPs. For a feel of how easy it used to be, read this piece by Dennis DiCicco at S&T which was published in the late 1990s: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/asteroids/3305146.html?page... I could not find a date on the piece however the caption to the picture on the last page refers to 5,000 numbered minor planets. That number passed half a million long ago. patrick
I remember building a blinker for Siegfried for Problicom. I think he was a part of that also. ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus) Ah, yes, the nova search. With the tiny fields of view I work with these days nova searches are history. But at least a couple of us here on UA used to be into it in a big way. Back in the mid 70s a guy in california called Ben Meyer started the PROBLICOM (Projection Blink Comparator) program wherein he coordinated folks all around the world taking wide angle shots of the sky on film of specific portions of the sky. Locally I think the only participants were Bruce Grim, Charlie Green and me. I've got boxes and binders full of slides taken over the years of the 4 portions of the sky I was assigned. None of us found anything. And I think we all agreed that taking the images was easy but processing the film and then trying to examine them with all manner of homemade devices was a pain. patrick On 02 Feb 2013, at 17:43, Daniel Holmes wrote:
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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Is it in a galaxy? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus) http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html Dan -- Daniel Holmes, danielh@holmesonics.com "Laugh while you can, monkey boy!" -- Lord John Whorfin _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Yes. The Milky Way. On Feb 2, 2013 11:26 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it in a galaxy? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus)
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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I'm not sure about that, Chuck. Who said it was? ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus) Yes. The Milky Way. On Feb 2, 2013 11:26 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it in a galaxy? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus)
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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The article states its a classical nova. If its not a Milky Way star, your next L&O is on me. On Feb 2, 2013 11:56 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm not sure about that, Chuck. Who said it was?
________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus)
Yes. The Milky Way. On Feb 2, 2013 11:26 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it in a galaxy? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus)
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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Typically Joe, supernovae are visible in external galaxies. Garden variety novae from low-mass stars usually aren't visible unless they are relatively close. On Feb 2, 2013 11:26 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it in a galaxy? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus)
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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Is it supposed to be a nova or a supernova? You know, Patrick isn't looking for novas. ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus) Typically Joe, supernovae are visible in external galaxies. Garden variety novae from low-mass stars usually aren't visible unless they are relatively close. On Feb 2, 2013 11:26 PM, "Joe Bauman" <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it in a galaxy? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Daniel Holmes <danielh@holmesonics.com> To: Utah-astronomy Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus)
http://remanzacco.blogspot.com/2013/02/possible-nova-in-cepheus.html
Dan
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On 03 Feb 2013, at 00:09, Joe Bauman wrote:
Is it supposed to be a nova or a supernova?
It's "just" a nova. A supernova that close (i.e. in our galaxy) would be much brighter.
You know, Patrick isn't looking for novas.
Not any more. Not seriously going after minor planets anymore either (though I don't feel too bad about that as my 4.5 finds are 4.5 more than most folks <g> ). Realistic nova and minor planet discoveries require much larger fields of view than my tiny 18' x 26' FOV. patrick
I see, I misunderstood the original message, thinking it was about SNs. Of course if there's a new nova, it's just in our galaxy. Thanks for the correction -- Joe ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 12:43 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Better luck next time, Patrick (Nova in Cephus) On 03 Feb 2013, at 00:09, Joe Bauman wrote:
Is it supposed to be a nova or a supernova?
It's "just" a nova. A supernova that close (i.e. in our galaxy) would be much brighter.
You know, Patrick isn't looking for novas.
Not any more. Not seriously going after minor planets anymore either (though I don't feel too bad about that as my 4.5 finds are 4.5 more than most folks <g> ). Realistic nova and minor planet discoveries require much larger fields of view than my tiny 18' x 26' FOV. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
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