Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him. patrick Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him. patrick Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people. For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there) 5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room. The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need? Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place. I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County. The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations. Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point? Sig
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I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that SLAS pay for it. A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-) At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight. Sig On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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On 07 Apr 2012, at 00:35, Siegfried Jachmann wrote:
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that SLAS pay for it.
Actually, Sieg, I'd have no objections to SLAS chartering a bus provided enough people put up enough money ahead of time to pay for the charter *before* a bus was actually chartered. Very much like we do with shirts, handbooks and calendars. But, as far as I know, no one was ever able to find that many people willing to prepay which is why I asked Joe in my previous email if he'd be willing to head up such a project. patrick
I think that would be perfectly OK. SLAS would only be the conduit for payment. Sig On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
On 07 Apr 2012, at 00:35, Siegfried Jachmann wrote:
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that SLAS pay for it.
Actually, Sieg, I'd have no objections to SLAS chartering a bus provided enough people put up enough money ahead of time to pay for the charter *before* a bus was actually chartered. Very much like we do with shirts, handbooks and calendars.
But, as far as I know, no one was ever able to find that many people willing to prepay which is why I asked Joe in my previous email if he'd be willing to head up such a project.
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Heh, you guys go hang out with 10,000-some people. I'm heading to California. :) On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I think that would be perfectly OK. SLAS would only be the conduit for payment.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com
wrote:
On 07 Apr 2012, at 00:35, Siegfried Jachmann wrote:
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that SLAS pay for it.
Actually, Sieg, I'd have no objections to SLAS chartering a bus provided enough people put up enough money ahead of time to pay for the charter *before* a bus was actually chartered. Very much like we do with shirts, handbooks and calendars.
But, as far as I know, no one was ever able to find that many people willing to prepay which is why I asked Joe in my previous email if he'd be willing to head up such a project.
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Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype is ahead of reality. I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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Probably from experience. Sig On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype is ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC? Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype is ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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I have not. I would have trouble organizing the equipment I am planning on taking on a bus. My van will be packed but it is organized for easy access for what I need when I need it. Sig On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC?
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype is ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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One of the reasons I've been considering points further north along the line is that the sun will be setting while eclipsed from the viewpoint there near Cedar City. There is a rather attractive spot near Lake Tahoe at Pyramid Lake, but if anyone else is considering that area, be aware that there is a 5-day Woodstock-like rave event planned there, coinciding with the eclipse. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I have not.
I would have trouble organizing the equipment I am planning on taking on a bus. My van will be packed but it is organized for easy access for what I need when I need it.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC?
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype
is
ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman < josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
> Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people. > > For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there) > > 5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room. > > The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need? > > Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place. > > I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County. > > The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations. > > Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point? > > Sig
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It will barely be eclipsed at sunset from Cedar City, I have little interest in 4th contact.
One of the reasons I've been considering points further north along the
line is that the sun will be setting while eclipsed from the viewpoint there near Cedar City. There is a rather attractive spot near Lake Tahoe at Pyramid Lake, but if anyone else is considering that area, be aware that there is a 5-day Woodstock-like rave event planned there, coinciding with the eclipse.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I have not.
I would have trouble organizing the equipment I am planning on taking on a bus. My van will be packed but it is organized for easy access for what I need when I need it.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC?
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps
hype is
ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman < josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with > the > problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides > the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour > vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to > pack > gear and food. Thanks, Joe > > > > ________________________________ > From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> > To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < > utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip > > Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this > to > the list for him. > > patrick > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan > today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us > where > the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have > been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people. > > > > For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the > site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it > came > out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square > that > and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our > size > is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a > joke > in there) > > > > 5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square > feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and > campers may require extra room. > > > > The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It > is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to > talk > to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will > be > no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how > much > better do you need? > > > > Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and > the > one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the > west > mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at > night it can be a scary place. > > > > I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They > will > be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. > They > will also have security and medical help from Iron County. > > > > The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They > expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't > really > matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced > "disaster"). > In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a > tourist > department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in > Kanarraville. > We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the > preparations and make some recommendations. > > > > Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real > possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or > her own? What is the group's thinking at this point? > > > > Sig > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy > club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options". > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > > Send messages to the list to > Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy > club. > > To unsubscribe go to: > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >
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I show 3rd contact at about 7:30 pm MDT, and sunset an hour later. Am I off? On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It will barely be eclipsed at sunset from Cedar City, I have little interest in 4th contact.
One of the reasons I've been considering points further north along the
line is that the sun will be setting while eclipsed from the viewpoint there near Cedar City. There is a rather attractive spot near Lake Tahoe at Pyramid Lake, but if anyone else is considering that area, be aware that there is a 5-day Woodstock-like rave event planned there, coinciding with the eclipse.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I have not.
I would have trouble organizing the equipment I am planning on taking on a bus. My van will be packed but it is organized for easy access for what I need when I need it.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC?
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
>Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps
hype is
ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that > SLAS > pay for it. > > A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something > with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide > much cover... if you know what I mean. :-) > > At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a > parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got > there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations > told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, > me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very > early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people > wanting to camp overnight. > > Sig > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman < josephmbauman@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with >> the >> problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides >> the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour >> vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to >> pack >> gear and food. Thanks, Joe >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> >> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < >> utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM >> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip >> >> Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this >> to >> the list for him. >> >> patrick >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> > Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan >> today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us >> where >> the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have >> been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people. >> > >> > For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the >> site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it >> came >> out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square >> that >> and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our >> size >> is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a >> joke >> in there) >> > >> > 5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square >> feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and >> campers may require extra room. >> > >> > The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It >> is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to >> talk >> to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will >> be >> no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how >> much >> better do you need? >> > >> > Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and >> the >> one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the >> west >> mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at >> night it can be a scary place. >> > >> > I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They >> will >> be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. >> They >> will also have security and medical help from Iron County. >> > >> > The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They >> expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't >> really >> matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced >> "disaster"). >> In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a >> tourist >> department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in >> Kanarraville. >> We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the >> preparations and make some recommendations. >> > >> > Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real >> possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or >> her own? 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Southern Utah. On Apr 8, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Patrick <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Hi Craig,
On 08 Apr 2012, at 18:30 , Craig Smith wrote:
I show 3rd contact at about 7:30 pm MDT, and sunset an hour later. Am I off?
What location are you referring to?
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Hi Craig, Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity. patrick On 08 Apr 2012, at 19:57, Craig Smith wrote:
Southern Utah.
On Apr 8, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Patrick <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Hi Craig,
On 08 Apr 2012, at 18:30 , Craig Smith wrote:
I show 3rd contact at about 7:30 pm MDT, and sunset an hour later. Am I off?
What location are you referring to?
patrick
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically. The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there. Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse. But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Hi Craig, Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity. patrick
All times mentioned are local daylight silly time.
Sunset is 8:36 PM, an hour after central eclipse end. I get about 1 hour 10 mins to 4th contact. this is for Bryce 1st contact 6:23 start of central eclipse 7:31:31, max eclipse 7:33:41, end of central eclipse 7:35:51. These times are similar in most Utah locations it will be the horizon that matters. I suspect Kanarraville will have a lot of locals but few serious astronomers which of course will put a lot of demand on those that have proper equipment for viewing eclipse. There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating
about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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That isn't the expectation expressed by David Ence, the Kanarraville clerk. They have never hosted an event. They like being in a small town almost off the map. They have been told by NASA to expect 5,000 +. Kannaraville isn't big enough to supply a lot of locals. Most I suspect will step out of their house and go Hmmm or ho hum. It's the visitors I'm concerned about. IF NASA is right, Kanarraville will be swamped. They will need to organize the parking. Not everyplace on the field is suitable for telescope placement. There are a few prime spots. Some that offer the limited shade of a small tree. They also need to designate driving lanes. They have a lot of work in front of them is they don't want to have total chaos. The 1,000 sq ft per car is just an estimate on our part. It's an average that would include common areas, i.e., driving lanes. The actual useable space per car may be in the 600 sq ft range. We will talk to David again to get a better idea. Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking better all the time. Sig On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
All times mentioned are local daylight silly time.
Sunset is 8:36 PM, an hour after central eclipse end. I get about 1 hour 10 mins to 4th contact.
this is for Bryce 1st contact 6:23 start of central eclipse 7:31:31, max eclipse 7:33:41, end of central eclipse 7:35:51.
These times are similar in most Utah locations it will be the horizon that matters.
I suspect Kanarraville will have a lot of locals but few serious astronomers which of course will put a lot of demand on those that have proper equipment for viewing eclipse.
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating
about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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at any rate, Kannaraville does not sound like the best place to me. I doubt NASA is right on this, but if they are it will be chaos. Is not the Kanarraville event being published in the local papers. The eclipse is visible in a large area, many places to choose.
That isn't the expectation expressed by David Ence, the Kanarraville
clerk. They have never hosted an event. They like being in a small town almost off the map. They have been told by NASA to expect 5,000 +. Kannaraville isn't big enough to supply a lot of locals. Most I suspect will step out of their house and go Hmmm or ho hum.
It's the visitors I'm concerned about. IF NASA is right, Kanarraville will be swamped. They will need to organize the parking. Not everyplace on the field is suitable for telescope placement. There are a few prime spots. Some that offer the limited shade of a small tree. They also need to designate driving lanes. They have a lot of work in front of them is they don't want to have total chaos.
The 1,000 sq ft per car is just an estimate on our part. It's an average that would include common areas, i.e., driving lanes. The actual useable space per car may be in the 600 sq ft range. We will talk to David again to get a better idea.
Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking better all the time.
Sig
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
All times mentioned are local daylight silly time.
Sunset is 8:36 PM, an hour after central eclipse end. I get about 1 hour 10 mins to 4th contact.
this is for Bryce 1st contact 6:23 start of central eclipse 7:31:31, max eclipse 7:33:41, end of central eclipse 7:35:51.
These times are similar in most Utah locations it will be the horizon that matters.
I suspect Kanarraville will have a lot of locals but few serious astronomers which of course will put a lot of demand on those that have proper equipment for viewing eclipse.
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating
about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC
at
which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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True. That begs the question, do we want to observe as a group or do we each want to find our own location? Sig On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
at any rate, Kannaraville does not sound like the best place to me. I doubt NASA is right on this, but if they are it will be chaos. Is not the Kanarraville event being published in the local papers. The eclipse is visible in a large area, many places to choose.
That isn't the expectation expressed by David Ence, the Kanarraville
clerk. They have never hosted an event. They like being in a small town almost off the map. They have been told by NASA to expect 5,000 +. Kannaraville isn't big enough to supply a lot of locals. Most I suspect will step out of their house and go Hmmm or ho hum.
It's the visitors I'm concerned about. IF NASA is right, Kanarraville will be swamped. They will need to organize the parking. Not everyplace on the field is suitable for telescope placement. There are a few prime spots. Some that offer the limited shade of a small tree. They also need to designate driving lanes. They have a lot of work in front of them is they don't want to have total chaos.
The 1,000 sq ft per car is just an estimate on our part. It's an average that would include common areas, i.e., driving lanes. The actual useable space per car may be in the 600 sq ft range. We will talk to David again to get a better idea.
Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking better all the time.
Sig
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
All times mentioned are local daylight silly time.
Sunset is 8:36 PM, an hour after central eclipse end. I get about 1 hour 10 mins to 4th contact.
this is for Bryce 1st contact 6:23 start of central eclipse 7:31:31, max eclipse 7:33:41, end of central eclipse 7:35:51.
These times are similar in most Utah locations it will be the horizon that matters.
I suspect Kanarraville will have a lot of locals but few serious astronomers which of course will put a lot of demand on those that have proper equipment for viewing eclipse.
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating
about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC
at
which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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It's be a lot more fun with a group of friends. ________________________________ From: Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip True. That begs the question, do we want to observe as a group or do we each want to find our own location? Sig On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
at any rate, Kannaraville does not sound like the best place to me. I doubt NASA is right on this, but if they are it will be chaos. Is not the Kanarraville event being published in the local papers. The eclipse is visible in a large area, many places to choose.
That isn't the expectation expressed by David Ence, the Kanarraville
clerk. They have never hosted an event. They like being in a small town almost off the map. They have been told by NASA to expect 5,000 +. Kannaraville isn't big enough to supply a lot of locals. Most I suspect will step out of their house and go Hmmm or ho hum.
It's the visitors I'm concerned about. IF NASA is right, Kanarraville will be swamped. They will need to organize the parking. Not everyplace on the field is suitable for telescope placement. There are a few prime spots. Some that offer the limited shade of a small tree. They also need to designate driving lanes. They have a lot of work in front of them is they don't want to have total chaos.
The 1,000 sq ft per car is just an estimate on our part. It's an average that would include common areas, i.e., driving lanes. The actual useable space per car may be in the 600 sq ft range. We will talk to David again to get a better idea.
Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking better all the time.
Sig
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
All times mentioned are local daylight silly time.
Sunset is 8:36 PM, an hour after central eclipse end. I get about 1 hour 10 mins to 4th contact.
this is for Bryce 1st contact 6:23 start of central eclipse 7:31:31, max eclipse 7:33:41, end of central eclipse 7:35:51.
These times are similar in most Utah locations it will be the horizon that matters.
I suspect Kanarraville will have a lot of locals but few serious astronomers which of course will put a lot of demand on those that have proper equipment for viewing eclipse.
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating
about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC
at
which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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I think it has been established that we are finding our own locations with a couple of locations being group. Kanarraville seems a product of Patrick (correct me if I am wrong).
That local seems incapable of handling the projected crowd. 1st come first serve would probably mean get there in the morning and plan on being there all day, if you want a prime location. True.
That begs the question, do we want to observe as a group or do we each want to find our own location?
Sig
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
at any rate, Kannaraville does not sound like the best place to me. I doubt NASA is right on this, but if they are it will be chaos. Is not the Kanarraville event being published in the local papers. The eclipse is visible in a large area, many places to choose.
That isn't the expectation expressed by David Ence, the Kanarraville
clerk. They have never hosted an event. They like being in a small town almost off the map. They have been told by NASA to expect 5,000 +. Kannaraville isn't big enough to supply a lot of locals. Most I suspect will step out of their house and go Hmmm or ho hum.
It's the visitors I'm concerned about. IF NASA is right, Kanarraville will be swamped. They will need to organize the parking. Not everyplace on the field is suitable for telescope placement. There are a few prime spots. Some that offer the limited shade of a small tree. They also need to designate driving lanes. They have a lot of work in front of them is they don't want to have total chaos.
The 1,000 sq ft per car is just an estimate on our part. It's an average that would include common areas, i.e., driving lanes. The actual useable space per car may be in the 600 sq ft range. We will talk to David again to get a better idea.
Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking better all the time.
Sig
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:41 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
All times mentioned are local daylight silly time.
Sunset is 8:36 PM, an hour after central eclipse end. I get about 1 hour 10 mins to 4th contact.
this is for Bryce 1st contact 6:23 start of central eclipse 7:31:31, max eclipse 7:33:41, end of central eclipse 7:35:51.
These times are similar in most Utah locations it will be the horizon that matters.
I suspect Kanarraville will have a lot of locals but few serious astronomers which of course will put a lot of demand on those that have proper equipment for viewing eclipse.
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating
about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04
UTC at
which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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On 09 Apr 2012, at 13:55, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
I think it has been established that we are finding our own locations with a couple of locations being group. Kanarraville seems a product of Patrick (correct me if I am wrong).
It would be fun to claim credit (assuming it doesn't turn into an uncontrolled zoo) but all I did was note where the NASA Goddard's map had the centerline crossing major highways. I actually first looked at Glendale on highway 89 but Kevin told me the horizons there were too high. Next came Kanarraville. Funny but my initial communications with the folks down that way netted responses like "What's the big deal?". I got them communicating with the folks at Goddard and the rest is history. BTW, I head from the Iron Country Tourist Bureau today that they are now coordinating with the county Sheriff & Cedar City Police Depts and that they'll have an ambulance stationed near Newcastle. They also said that the biggest complaint at their latest organizational meeting was that private land owners only found out about the whole thing through the newspaper. They said they thought the county should have notified them about what's coming. I'm still undecided about where I'm going. Just for jollies I'm going to at least show up at Kanarraville well before the eclipse starts just to see how it looks. If it really is crazy there I'll head further west but still close enough to a main road that if last minute clouds dictate I can still make a quick run south on I-15 to the St. George area where the S&T article indicated less chance of clouds. patrick
Something to think about if you plan on being flexible and mobile while scouting a location is that the local roads probably can't handle a high traffic volume. Getting in and out quickly may prove difficult and frustrating. There could be a long line of cars coming and going from every direction, before, during, and after. Local gas shortages are also a concern in some of these small towns, if the number of predicted visitors is towards the upper end of the scale. You could be stranded, waiting on a tanker.
A good thought, although if they are having an ambulance on stby I would bet the Sheriff is going to be serious about keeping traffic lanes open. I would not be surprised if at some point they turn people away if it gets too crowded. Parking does sound like it is going to be the big problem at Kanarraviile. I still maintain anyone with a telescope there will be swamped if the crowd expectations hold up.
Reminds me of a story though, in college we had an informal party in a small town, we exhausted their libations. Something to think about if you plan on being flexible and mobile while
scouting a location is that the local roads probably can't handle a high traffic volume. Getting in and out quickly may prove difficult and frustrating. There could be a long line of cars coming and going from every direction, before, during, and after. Local gas shortages are also a concern in some of these small towns, if the number of predicted visitors is towards the upper end of the scale. You could be stranded, waiting on a tanker. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Chuck, I'm not sure about either Newcastle or Modena but If I don't end up at Bryce, I'm planning on a spot off of SR56 (it follows centerline for quite a stretch) near Beryl Junction. Dave On Apr 10, 2012, at 09:53 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote: Anybody know what's in Newcastle or Modena? _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
see my original post. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:53 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> wrote:
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I suspect that most of the expected crowd will be there with their own telescopes. Just my guess. Sig On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:39 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
A good thought, although if they are having an ambulance on stby I would bet the Sheriff is going to be serious about keeping traffic lanes open. I would not be surprised if at some point they turn people away if it gets too crowded. Parking does sound like it is going to be the big problem at Kanarraviile. I still maintain anyone with a telescope there will be swamped if the crowd expectations hold up.
Reminds me of a story though, in college we had an informal party in a small town, we exhausted their libations.
Something to think about if you plan on being flexible and mobile while
scouting a location is that the local roads probably can't handle a high traffic volume. Getting in and out quickly may prove difficult and frustrating. There could be a long line of cars coming and going from every direction, before, during, and after. Local gas shortages are also a concern in some of these small towns, if the number of predicted visitors is towards the upper end of the scale. You could be stranded, waiting on a tanker. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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5,000 telescopes on one field? Got to be a world record.
I suspect that most of the expected crowd will be there with their own
telescopes. Just my guess.
Sig
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A good thought, although if they are having an ambulance on stby I would bet the Sheriff is going to be serious about keeping traffic lanes open. I would not be surprised if at some point they turn people away if it gets too crowded. Parking does sound like it is going to be the big problem at Kanarraviile. I still maintain anyone with a telescope there will be swamped if the crowd expectations hold up.
Reminds me of a story though, in college we had an informal party in a small town, we exhausted their libations.
Something to think about if you plan on being flexible and mobile while
scouting a location is that the local roads probably can't handle a high traffic volume. Getting in and out quickly may prove difficult and frustrating. There could be a long line of cars coming and going from every direction, before, during, and after. Local gas shortages are also a concern in some of these small towns, if the number of predicted visitors is towards the upper end of the scale. You could be stranded, waiting on a tanker. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy
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Holy Mackerel! I leave town for a couple of days and my mailbox runeth over! Modena is NOT a friendly place. The locals prefer their seclusion for religious purposes. You can interpret the rest. I have been to Modena several times. There are some very nice, photogenic old buildings there. However, each time I have visited, I have been closely "watched". Sometimes in a more than obvious manner. There is a building there with a watch tower. I am not saying for which purpose it is used, but it is there. The western horizon is also getting pretty tall at that point. I originally thought I would drive to the vicinity of Beryl Junction and observe the eclipse from there, and then driving back that night. I even took a trip to scout out the horizons several months ago. Photos of the horizons are on Patrick's pages somewhere. Patrick, maybe you could post a link again. I am having second thoughts about my original plan with all of the folks talking about that site. I have an alternative. I am thinking about flying to an airport along the path of annularity and returning that evening. I will probably leave early afternoon and return after dark. I could take one other person - well, maybe two others to help defray costs. There would be room for an celestron (no caps intentional) 8" or smaller scope also. There is actually a private airstrip in Newcastle that is a possibility. Other destinations include Bryce Canyon, Page, Kanab, Cedar City, Panguitch, and Panaca. There may be a couple of other dirt strips that are not on the charts. (Modena has an old air strip but it has not been used for a long time.) I'll have to look and see. The final destination is determined by me and my passengers. Total time round trip is between 3.5 and 4 hours. That means about 2 hours after the eclipse I'd be back in Salt Lake (actually Bountiful). The FAA will not allow me to charge any more than a pro rated share of the costs. Fuel for 4 hours in my bird is around $335.00. If one other person goes along, they would pay 1/2 of my actual costs. If two others go they would each pay 1/3 of my costs. If anyone is interested, let me know. The major advantages in going this way are: 1. Only gone for a few hours. 2. No hotel cost. 3. Stay at an airport - not a lot of other folks around. 4. No traffic jams getting there and returning. 5. Its on my schedule.
You sound like Joan, LOL! Seriously Brent, if I can get in for a 1/3 share, I'm interested. I need to be at work at 6 AM Monday morning and your strategy may be my only way to see full annularity. I only plan on taking a HiDef hard-drive camcorder and tripod, maybe 8 or 10 pounds. If my wife wants to go too, then we'd pay her share as well. How are you at night landings? Skypark? Let me know. Thanks! C. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
Holy Mackerel! I leave town for a couple of days and my mailbox runeth over!
Modena is NOT a friendly place. The locals prefer their seclusion for religious purposes. You can interpret the rest. I have been to Modena several times. There are some very nice, photogenic old buildings there. However, each time I have visited, I have been closely "watched". Sometimes in a more than obvious manner. There is a building there with a watch tower. I am not saying for which purpose it is used, but it is there. The western horizon is also getting pretty tall at that point.
I originally thought I would drive to the vicinity of Beryl Junction and observe the eclipse from there, and then driving back that night. I even took a trip to scout out the horizons several months ago. Photos of the horizons are on Patrick's pages somewhere. Patrick, maybe you could post a link again.
I am having second thoughts about my original plan with all of the folks talking about that site. I have an alternative. I am thinking about flying to an airport along the path of annularity and returning that evening. I will probably leave early afternoon and return after dark. I could take one other person - well, maybe two others to help defray costs. There would be room for an celestron (no caps intentional) 8" or smaller scope also.
There is actually a private airstrip in Newcastle that is a possibility. Other destinations include Bryce Canyon, Page, Kanab, Cedar City, Panguitch, and Panaca. There may be a couple of other dirt strips that are not on the charts. (Modena has an old air strip but it has not been used for a long time.) I'll have to look and see. The final destination is determined by me and my passengers. Total time round trip is between 3.5 and 4 hours. That means about 2 hours after the eclipse I'd be back in Salt Lake (actually Bountiful).
The FAA will not allow me to charge any more than a pro rated share of the costs. Fuel for 4 hours in my bird is around $335.00. If one other person goes along, they would pay 1/2 of my actual costs. If two others go they would each pay 1/3 of my costs. If anyone is interested, let me know.
The major advantages in going this way are: 1. Only gone for a few hours. 2. No hotel cost. 3. Stay at an airport - not a lot of other folks around. 4. No traffic jams getting there and returning. 5. Its on my schedule. _______________________________________________
Never ask a pilot about his landings. You know - there are three rules that govern good landings. Unfortunately, no one knows them. Yes, Skypark. Leet me know about your wife. ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip You sound like Joan, LOL! Seriously Brent, if I can get in for a 1/3 share, I'm interested. I need to be at work at 6 AM Monday morning and your strategy may be my only way to see full annularity. I only plan on taking a HiDef hard-drive camcorder and tripod, maybe 8 or 10 pounds. If my wife wants to go too, then we'd pay her share as well. How are you at night landings? Skypark? Let me know. Thanks! C. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
Holy Mackerel! I leave town for a couple of days and my mailbox runeth over!
Modena is NOT a friendly place. The locals prefer their seclusion for religious purposes. You can interpret the rest. I have been to Modena several times. There are some very nice, photogenic old buildings there. However, each time I have visited, I have been closely "watched". Sometimes in a more than obvious manner. There is a building there with a watch tower. I am not saying for which purpose it is used, but it is there. The western horizon is also getting pretty tall at that point.
I originally thought I would drive to the vicinity of Beryl Junction and observe the eclipse from there, and then driving back that night. I even took a trip to scout out the horizons several months ago. Photos of the horizons are on Patrick's pages somewhere. Patrick, maybe you could post a link again.
I am having second thoughts about my original plan with all of the folks talking about that site. I have an alternative. I am thinking about flying to an airport along the path of annularity and returning that evening. I will probably leave early afternoon and return after dark. I could take one other person - well, maybe two others to help defray costs. There would be room for an celestron (no caps intentional) 8" or smaller scope also.
There is actually a private airstrip in Newcastle that is a possibility. Other destinations include Bryce Canyon, Page, Kanab, Cedar City, Panguitch, and Panaca. There may be a couple of other dirt strips that are not on the charts. (Modena has an old air strip but it has not been used for a long time.) I'll have to look and see. The final destination is determined by me and my passengers. Total time round trip is between 3.5 and 4 hours. That means about 2 hours after the eclipse I'd be back in Salt Lake (actually Bountiful).
The FAA will not allow me to charge any more than a pro rated share of the costs. Fuel for 4 hours in my bird is around $335.00. If one other person goes along, they would pay 1/2 of my actual costs. If two others go they would each pay 1/3 of my costs. If anyone is interested, let me know.
The major advantages in going this way are: 1. Only gone for a few hours. 2. No hotel cost. 3. Stay at an airport - not a lot of other folks around. 4. No traffic jams getting there and returning. 5. Its on my schedule. _______________________________________________
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any landing upright on the wheels is a good one?
Never ask a pilot about his landings. You know - there are three rules
that govern good landings. Unfortunately, no one knows them. Yes, Skypark. Leet me know about your wife.
________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
You sound like Joan, LOL!
Seriously Brent, if I can get in for a 1/3 share, I'm interested. I need to be at work at 6 AM Monday morning and your strategy may be my only way to see full annularity. I only plan on taking a HiDef hard-drive camcorder and tripod, maybe 8 or 10 pounds. If my wife wants to go too, then we'd pay her share as well.
How are you at night landings? Skypark?
Let me know.
Thanks!
C.
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Brent Watson <brentjwatson@yahoo.com>wrote:
Holy Mackerel! I leave town for a couple of days and my mailbox runeth over!
Modena is NOT a friendly place. The locals prefer their seclusion for religious purposes. You can interpret the rest. I have been to Modena several times. There are some very nice, photogenic old buildings there. However, each time I have visited, I have been closely "watched". Sometimes in a more than obvious manner. There is a building there with a watch tower. I am not saying for which purpose it is used, but it is there. The western horizon is also getting pretty tall at that point.
I originally thought I would drive to the vicinity of Beryl Junction and observe the eclipse from there, and then driving back that night. I even took a trip to scout out the horizons several months ago. Photos of the horizons are on Patrick's pages somewhere. Patrick, maybe you could post a link again.
I am having second thoughts about my original plan with all of the folks talking about that site. I have an alternative. I am thinking about flying to an airport along the path of annularity and returning that evening. I will probably leave early afternoon and return after dark. I could take one other person - well, maybe two others to help defray costs. There would be room for an celestron (no caps intentional) 8" or smaller scope also.
There is actually a private airstrip in Newcastle that is a possibility. Other destinations include Bryce Canyon, Page, Kanab, Cedar City, Panguitch, and Panaca. There may be a couple of other dirt strips that are not on the charts. (Modena has an old air strip but it has not been used for a long time.) I'll have to look and see. The final destination is determined by me and my passengers. Total time round trip is between 3.5 and 4 hours. That means about 2 hours after the eclipse I'd be back in Salt Lake (actually Bountiful).
The FAA will not allow me to charge any more than a pro rated share of the costs. Fuel for 4 hours in my bird is around $335.00. If one other person goes along, they would pay 1/2 of my actual costs. If two others go they would each pay 1/3 of my costs. If anyone is interested, let me know.
The major advantages in going this way are: 1. Only gone for a few hours. 2. No hotel cost. 3. Stay at an airport - not a lot of other folks around. 4. No traffic jams getting there and returning. 5. Its on my schedule. _______________________________________________
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Any landing that you walk away from is a good one... -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Brent Watson Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Never ask a pilot about his landings. You know - there are three rules that govern good landings. Unfortunately, no one knows them. Yes, Skypark. Leet me know about your wife. ________________________________ From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip You sound like Joan, LOL! Seriously Brent, if I can get in for a 1/3 share, I'm interested. I need to be at work at 6 AM Monday morning and your strategy may be my only way to see full annularity. I only plan on taking a HiDef hard-drive camcorder and tripod, maybe 8 or 10 pounds. If my wife wants to go too, then we'd pay her share as well. How are you at night landings? Skypark? Let me know. Thanks! C.
Cedar City seems to offer the most flexibility if you need to go north or south. Depending on what time I'm on the road I may also check out the Kanarraville location out of curiosity. I would not mind being joined by some SLAS members but I for sure don't want to be in a mob scene.
I read that the road to Cedar Breaks may be open by then with temporary dirt road access, probably won't know until that weekend. On 09 Apr 2012, at 13:55, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
I think it has been established that we are finding our own locations with a couple of locations being group. Kanarraville seems a product of Patrick (correct me if I am wrong).
It would be fun to claim credit (assuming it doesn't turn into an uncontrolled zoo) but all I did was note where the NASA Goddard's map had the centerline crossing major highways.
I actually first looked at Glendale on highway 89 but Kevin told me the horizons there were too high. Next came Kanarraville. Funny but my initial communications with the folks down that way netted responses like "What's the big deal?".
I got them communicating with the folks at Goddard and the rest is history.
BTW, I head from the Iron Country Tourist Bureau today that they are now coordinating with the county Sheriff & Cedar City Police Depts and that they'll have an ambulance stationed near Newcastle.
They also said that the biggest complaint at their latest organizational meeting was that private land owners only found out about the whole thing through the newspaper. They said they thought the county should have notified them about what's coming.
I'm still undecided about where I'm going. Just for jollies I'm going to at least show up at Kanarraville well before the eclipse starts just to see how it looks. If it really is crazy there I'll head further west but still close enough to a main road that if last minute clouds dictate I can still make a quick run south on I-15 to the St. George area where the S&T article indicated less chance of clouds.
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It's not scheduled to have limited access until June according to this: http://www.udot.utah.gov/main/f?p=100:pg:0::::V,T:,3571 On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I read that the road to Cedar Breaks may be open by then with temporary dirt road access, probably won't know until that weekend.
I heard there is chance it may happen before that.
It's not scheduled to have limited access until June according to this:
http://www.udot.utah.gov/main/f?p=100:pg:0::::V,T:,3571
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I read that the road to Cedar Breaks may be open by then with temporary dirt road access, probably won't know until that weekend.
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That would be nice! On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:26 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I heard there is chance it may happen before that.
It's not scheduled to have limited access until June according to this:
http://www.udot.utah.gov/main/f?p=100:pg:0::::V,T:,3571
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I read that the road to Cedar Breaks may be open by then with temporary dirt road access, probably won't know until that weekend.
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I would think that with the lack of snow SR 148 might be open from the north side; it seems there might be a good view from a Cedar Breaks lookout. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
That would be nice!
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 2:26 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I heard there is chance it may happen before that.
It's not scheduled to have limited access until June according to this:
http://www.udot.utah.gov/main/f?p=100:pg:0::::V,T:,3571
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
I read that the road to Cedar Breaks may be open by then with
temporary
dirt road access, probably won't know until that weekend.
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Well known amateur photographer, Christopher Go, will be viewing from Cedar Breaks. I don't know by what route he's getting there but there must be a way. Sig On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Cedar City seems to offer the most flexibility if you need to go north or south. Depending on what time I'm on the road I may also check out the Kanarraville location out of curiosity. I would not mind being joined by some SLAS members but I for sure don't want to be in a mob scene.
I read that the road to Cedar Breaks may be open by then with temporary dirt road access, probably won't know until that weekend.
On 09 Apr 2012, at 13:55, erikhansen@TheBlueZone.net wrote:
I think it has been established that we are finding our own locations with a couple of locations being group. Kanarraville seems a product of Patrick (correct me if I am wrong).
It would be fun to claim credit (assuming it doesn't turn into an uncontrolled zoo) but all I did was note where the NASA Goddard's map had the centerline crossing major highways.
I actually first looked at Glendale on highway 89 but Kevin told me the horizons there were too high. Next came Kanarraville. Funny but my initial communications with the folks down that way netted responses like "What's the big deal?".
I got them communicating with the folks at Goddard and the rest is history.
BTW, I head from the Iron Country Tourist Bureau today that they are now coordinating with the county Sheriff & Cedar City Police Depts and that they'll have an ambulance stationed near Newcastle.
They also said that the biggest complaint at their latest organizational meeting was that private land owners only found out about the whole thing through the newspaper. They said they thought the county should have notified them about what's coming.
I'm still undecided about where I'm going. Just for jollies I'm going to at least show up at Kanarraville well before the eclipse starts just to see how it looks. If it really is crazy there I'll head further west but still close enough to a main road that if last minute clouds dictate I
can
still make a quick run south on I-15 to the St. George area where the S&T article indicated less chance of clouds.
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-- Siegfried
I don't suppose the LDS Church in Newcastle could be persuaded to open their doors for this event. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking better all the time.
Sig
Good thought but there are low wires to the west that will impact the view when the Sun is very low. But it is a good thought. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Craig Smith <cs2560@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't suppose the LDS Church in Newcastle could be persuaded to open their doors for this event.
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
Renting an RV or a trailer and heading west of Newcastle is looking
better
all the time.
Sig
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I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically. The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there. Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse. But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Hi Craig, Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
If I decide to make the drive for annularity, my plan was drive down in the early morning, take my pictures, then beeline back to SLC right after sunset. Probably not with any group.
Does anyone know whether the eclipse crossing point on I-80 just east of Reno would be as good, better or less crowded than Kanarraville? Spencer Ball -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces+spencer=spencerball.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces+spencer=spencerball.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:26 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip If I decide to make the drive for annularity, my plan was drive down in the early morning, take my pictures, then beeline back to SLC right after sunset. Probably not with any group. _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
The person I spoke to who is planning on coming in from Wisconsin said he was not able to find any hotel rooms in the area with availability on Sunday night. Suffice it to say if you haven't already made a reservation you probably ought to have a Plan-B ready. I think the crowds are going to be quite large, NASA may be underestimating the crowds if the hotel bookings are any indicator. As far as what SLAS wants to do, that discussion belongs at the upcoming general meeting, not on this list, we do not a quorum on this board of SLAS members. Bring it up at next week's General Meeting or this week's Board Meeting. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe
Bob, I don't think it's a good idea to censor people's discussions about this. For example, I am glad you put info on the UtahAstronomy newsgroup about the unavailability of rooms. But certainly SLAS people have a right to comment on any subject relating to astronomy either on- or off-list. It's bad enough when our sourpusses get all exercised if someone mentions something non-astronomic; so at least don't say I have no right to discuss SLAS options here. It's pretty hard to be heard at the general meeting, with a speaker and various other club business, and most SLAS'ers don't attend the board meeting. So this is a way not to get shut out of the discussions. Joe ________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <robtaylorslc@gmail.com> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip The person I spoke to who is planning on coming in from Wisconsin said he was not able to find any hotel rooms in the area with availability on Sunday night. Suffice it to say if you haven't already made a reservation you probably ought to have a Plan-B ready. I think the crowds are going to be quite large, NASA may be underestimating the crowds if the hotel bookings are any indicator. As far as what SLAS wants to do, that discussion belongs at the upcoming general meeting, not on this list, we do not a quorum on this board of SLAS members. Bring it up at next week's General Meeting or this week's Board Meeting. Bob -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
Thanks everyone. It's handy that the NASA site has the altitude! I forgot about the horizons. But I'm confused -- I thought an hour was 15 deg, yet the sun is only 11 deg up more than an hour before sunset. But I guess the sunset time is when the entire sun is no longer visible? But at 1/2 deg diameter it still seems off. And won't it still be up for a little while even if the horizon is a few degrees? Of course, will the view be distorted at such a low altitude? I would think that most of the viewers would just have solar glasses to observe through and there wouldn't be that many people needing space to set up equipment, but who knows. I assume most photographers would head towards points west where it's higher in the sky. Are there observing sights at Bryce without trees in the way? I thought most of the Bryce facilities face east toward the canyon, with trees on the west. I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past? I no longer have a trailer unfortunately, and want to go somewhere scenic, so I went ahead and made a camping reservation at Bryce Canyon Pines a couple weeks ago. The reserveable in-park sites were all booked, and Ruby's Inn and the rest of the in-park sites are first-come first-served. Kodachrome Basin had availability as well. I've been thinking about Great Basin though -- are there any places with open western horizons?. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bob, I don't think it's a good idea to censor people's discussions about this. For example, I am glad you put info on the UtahAstronomy newsgroup about the unavailability of rooms. But certainly SLAS people have a right to comment on any subject relating to astronomy either on- or off-list. It's bad enough when our sourpusses get all exercised if someone mentions something non-astronomic; so at least don't say I have no right to discuss SLAS options here. It's pretty hard to be heard at the general meeting, with a speaker and various other club business, and most SLAS'ers don't attend the board meeting. So this is a way not to get shut out of the discussions. Joe
________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <robtaylorslc@gmail.com> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
The person I spoke to who is planning on coming in from Wisconsin said he was not able to find any hotel rooms in the area with availability on Sunday night. Suffice it to say if you haven't already made a reservation you probably ought to have a Plan-B ready. I think the crowds are going to be quite large, NASA may be underestimating the crowds if the hotel bookings are any indicator.
As far as what SLAS wants to do, that discussion belongs at the upcoming general meeting, not on this list, we do not a quorum on this board of SLAS members. Bring it up at next week's General Meeting or this week's Board Meeting.
Bob
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe
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I think the sun sets at an angle. Spencer Ball -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Thanks everyone. It's handy that the NASA site has the altitude! I forgot about the horizons. But I'm confused -- I thought an hour was 15 deg, yet the sun is only 11 deg up more than an hour before sunset. But I guess the sunset time is when the entire sun is no longer visible? But at 1/2 deg diameter it still seems off. And won't it still be up for a little while even if the horizon is a few degrees? Of course, will the view be distorted at such a low altitude? I would think that most of the viewers would just have solar glasses to observe through and there wouldn't be that many people needing space to set up equipment, but who knows. I assume most photographers would head towards points west where it's higher in the sky. Are there observing sights at Bryce without trees in the way? I thought most of the Bryce facilities face east toward the canyon, with trees on the west. I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past? I no longer have a trailer unfortunately, and want to go somewhere scenic, so I went ahead and made a camping reservation at Bryce Canyon Pines a couple weeks ago. The reserveable in-park sites were all booked, and Ruby's Inn and the rest of the in-park sites are first-come first-served. Kodachrome Basin had availability as well. I've been thinking about Great Basin though -- are there any places with open western horizons?. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bob, I don't think it's a good idea to censor people's discussions about this. For example, I am glad you put info on the UtahAstronomy newsgroup about the unavailability of rooms. But certainly SLAS people have a right to comment on any subject relating to astronomy either on- or off-list. It's bad enough when our sourpusses get all exercised if someone mentions something non-astronomic; so at least don't say I have no right to discuss SLAS options here. It's pretty hard to be heard at the general meeting, with a speaker and various other club business, and most SLAS'ers don't attend the board meeting. So this is a way not to get shut out of the discussions. Joe
________________________________ From: Robert Taylor <robtaylorslc@gmail.com> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
The person I spoke to who is planning on coming in from Wisconsin said he was not able to find any hotel rooms in the area with availability on Sunday night. Suffice it to say if you haven't already made a reservation you probably ought to have a Plan-B ready. I think the crowds are going to be quite large, NASA may be underestimating the crowds if the hotel bookings are any indicator.
As far as what SLAS wants to do, that discussion belongs at the upcoming general meeting, not on this list, we do not a quorum on this board of SLAS members. Bring it up at next week's General Meeting or this week's Board Meeting.
Bob
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe
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There is an infinite variety of SIGHTS without trees in the way - we are also reserving two SITES for eclipse viewing where the views toward the sun and western sky will not be obstructed by trees. ;-) -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Are there observing sights at Bryce without trees in the way? I thought most of the Bryce facilities face east toward the canyon, with trees on the west. I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past?
Thanks. And thanks for understanding my blunder! I'm making more and more of those in my old age .... On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Kim <kimharch@cut.net> wrote:
There is an infinite variety of SIGHTS without trees in the way - we are also reserving two SITES for eclipse viewing where the views toward the sun and western sky will not be obstructed by trees. ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Are there observing sights at Bryce without trees in the way? I thought most of the Bryce facilities face east toward the canyon, with trees on the west. I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past?
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There are some things that spell checkers just don't pick up. Someone has yet to invent the spelling-and-grammar-checker-because-my-brain-is-old software. For us old guys. -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 1:44 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Thanks. And thanks for understanding my blunder! I'm making more and more of those in my old age ....
again,, then has not he BOD already (past board) made Bryce the official SLAS group viewing site?
If not why did we reserve sites we don't intend to use? There is an infinite variety of SIGHTS without trees in the way - we are
also reserving two SITES for eclipse viewing where the views toward the sun and western sky will not be obstructed by trees. ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Craig Smith Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:28 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Are there observing sights at Bryce without trees in the way? I thought most of the Bryce facilities face east toward the canyon, with trees on the west. I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past?
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Au contaire. I w/be at Bryce, as are others, tho I think Don Colton has the headcount. I believe SLAS is actively committed to have a presence for the 'fest this year. I plan to stay there for the eclipse, but I understand there are those who w/leave Sunday to go to the centerline, where ever they wind up. 73, lh On 4/9/2012 12:27 PM, Craig Smith wrote:
I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past?
I recall a vote, thought most attending Bryce Festival was going to stay at Bryce for eclipse.
Group plans for Glen Canyon, Bryce, Kanarraville, Great Basin, SLAS will be spread 3 sheets to the wind on this one. Au contaire. I w/be at Bryce, as are others, tho I think Don Colton has
the headcount. I believe SLAS is actively committed to have a presence for the 'fest this year. I plan to stay there for the eclipse, but I understand there are those who w/leave Sunday to go to the centerline, where ever they wind up. 73, lh
On 4/9/2012 12:27 PM, Craig Smith wrote:
I assume SLAS isn't helping with the Bryce festival this year as in the past?
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SLAS is a co-sponsor of Bryce Astro Festival, to me that makes it the de facto location
The person I spoke to who is planning on coming in from Wisconsin said he
was not able to find any hotel rooms in the area with availability on Sunday night. Suffice it to say if you haven't already made a reservation you probably ought to have a Plan-B ready. I think the crowds are going to be quite large, NASA may be underestimating the crowds if the hotel bookings are any indicator.
As far as what SLAS wants to do, that discussion belongs at the upcoming general meeting, not on this list, we do not a quorum on this board of SLAS members. Bring it up at next week's General Meeting or this week's Board Meeting.
Bob
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe
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We had an Astrofest planning meeting this morning and it was reported that Ruby's has rooms available for SLAS for the Astrofest but not for every night. It seems someone there made a mistake reserving rooms, but for anyone interested you'll have to contact Ruby's directly. There will still be reserved camping for SLAS members and other volunteers in the Park, probably at the same group camping site at the Sunset Campground as in years past. These camp sites will be available on a first-come, first-served basis. For other area lodging check out: http://www.utah.com/database/lodging/index.phtml?search_id=24519&all_lodging =1&. Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe ________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically. The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there. Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse. But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-) Kim -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Hi Craig, Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
I am assuming Robert was referring to hotels around Bryce being fully booked.
If Cedar City is booked, a few thoughts. In my case 2 rooms were reserved in Cedar City for sat and sun, because my buddy was unsure if his girlfriend wanted to join us. Currently I am planning driving down Sunday morning and spending Sun night. Still, could change to driving sat afternoon spending that night in hotel then driving to SL after on sunday. I would bet my situation is not unique and many have overbooked, rooms may open up. I may have a room for someone if they are all booked, need to wait until my friends GF makes up her mind. It seems likely we will cancel the sat night reservation. We had an Astrofest planning meeting this morning and it was reported that
Ruby's has rooms available for SLAS for the Astrofest but not for every night. It seems someone there made a mistake reserving rooms, but for anyone interested you'll have to contact Ruby's directly. There will still be reserved camping for SLAS members and other volunteers in the Park, probably at the same group camping site at the Sunset Campground as in years past. These camp sites will be available on a first-come, first-served basis.
For other area lodging check out: http://www.utah.com/database/lodging/index.phtml?search_id=24519&all_lodging =1&.
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bauman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
I think Kim has an excellent point. Kim, what's the chance of finding motel rooms for one night at Bryce, or camping spots there? Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Kim <kimharch@cut.net> To: 'Utah Astronomy' <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2012 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
There seems to be a lot of bad information and misconceptions circulating about the timing of this eclipse from southern Utah. For example, from here at Bryce, the eclipse does indeed "end" just a few minutes before sunset. However, the end referred to is 4th contact, or the moment when the Moon's shadow finally leaves the limb of the Sun, nearly an hour after the end of the annular phase. Someone else can look up the precise timing and elevation of the sun above the horizon at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th contacts, but it's certainly placed high enough for great observing before, during and after annularity, both visually and photographically.
The graphic that Patrick shared proves for me just how unreasonable and unnecessary it is to place oneself right on the centerline for this eclipse. Unless you just have to have that photo of the Moon perfectly centered within the ring of sunlight, then the choices discussed here (e.g. Kanarraville) are not so important. Factor that with the poor preparation for large crowds at some locations and it just doesn't make sense to go there.
Bryce Canyon NP is offering at least three public observing areas, lots of parking, informed interpreters to share the experience with the public, and evening lectures after the eclipse.
But go ahead, go to California or Kanarraville. ;-)
Kim
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 8:45 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Hi Craig,
Sunset times will vary depending on local horizons but you can get a fair guesstimate using this interactive map which NASA set up for the eclipse: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEgoogle/SEgoogle2001/SE2012May20Agoogle.html
For Kanarraville it shows the end of annularity at about 01:36:04 UTC at which time the Sun will be about 11 degrees above a flat horizon. Considering Kanarraville's horizon in the direction of the eclipse has been surveyed to be a few degrees high the Sun will set only a few minutes after the end of annularity.
patrick
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Sounds fun! ________________________________ From: Chrismo <djchrismo@gmail.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip One of the reasons I've been considering points further north along the line is that the sun will be setting while eclipsed from the viewpoint there near Cedar City. There is a rather attractive spot near Lake Tahoe at Pyramid Lake, but if anyone else is considering that area, be aware that there is a 5-day Woodstock-like rave event planned there, coinciding with the eclipse. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
I have not.
I would have trouble organizing the equipment I am planning on taking on a bus. My van will be packed but it is organized for easy access for what I need when I need it.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC?
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype
is
ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman < josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
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> Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people. > > For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there) > > 5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room. > > The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need? > > Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place. > > I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County. > > The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations. > > Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point? > > Sig
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I think if I was organizing a charter or bus tour I would plan on going to one of the park locations along the path, Bryce Canyon, Chaco Canyon, Great Basin, or even Glen Canyon.
Kanarraville would be down on the list, the parks will likely have the biggest crowds. I have not.
I would have trouble organizing the equipment I am planning on taking on a bus. My van will be packed but it is organized for easy access for what I need when I need it.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
It sounded like a quote from Patrick in an article that proclaimed bus loads of charters from SL.
Have we even heard of one bus charter from SLC?
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype
is
ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
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> Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people. > > For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there) > > 5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room. > > The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need? > > Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place. > > I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County. > > The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations. > > Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point? > > Sig
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There haven't been a lot of these events to gauge from though, and circumstances are different for each one. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried@jachmann.org>wrote:
Probably from experience.
Sig
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well, if the bus is not full it wastes parking.
I wonder where NASA gets the number of 5,000? It seems perhaps hype is ahead of reality.
I have never been opposed to the idea of a bus, only the proposal that
SLAS pay for it.
A bus to Newcastle might not be a bad idea. Going there you need something with facilities. The resident sagebrush is rather low. It doesn't provide much cover... if you know what I mean. :-)
At Kanarraville we're not talking a smooth field. It's not exactly a parking lot. There would be places suitable for a bus... *IF* the bus got there in time to get space for 40 people to set up. From the expectations told to us, my guess is that the available parking will go quickly. If we, me and family, opt for Kanarraville, my intent would be to be there very early and be there all day. Dave Ence did mention he has heard of people wanting to camp overnight.
Sig
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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Hi Joe, On 06 Apr 2012, at 23:59, Joe Bauman wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
I don't think anyone said "No one can charter a bus." All the discussions I've heard on the subject ended with the agreement that if someone wanted to take on the task then more power to them. So if I hear of someone wanting to take a bus to the eclipse would it be ok if I referred them to you? I could also include mention of your chartering a bus in the next issue of News if you like. patrick
Hi Patrick, Thanks for the offer but I'm too old and tired to organize anything. Best wishes, Joe ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2012 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip Hi Joe, On 06 Apr 2012, at 23:59, Joe Bauman wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
I don't think anyone said "No one can charter a bus." All the discussions I've heard on the subject ended with the agreement that if someone wanted to take on the task then more power to them. So if I hear of someone wanting to take a bus to the eclipse would it be ok if I referred them to you? I could also include mention of your chartering a bus in the next issue of News if you like. patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Send messages to the list to Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. To unsubscribe go to: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".
How about Patrick fly everyone to Klamath. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, Please don't think I'm trying to start another big fight. But with the problems of parking, etc., wouldn't it make sense to rent a bus? Besides the fact that it's a lot easier to park a bus than 25 cars, many tour vehicles have restroom facilities aboard. And there would be room to pack gear and food. Thanks, Joe
________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy listserve utah astronomy < utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Sieg's eclipse site scouting trip
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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They'd actually give 1000 sq ft per car? On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
Siegfried is having trouble posting to the list so I'm forwarding this to the list for him.
patrick
Begin forwarded message:
Bruno & I took a drive to Kannaraville, Newcastle, Modena & Parowan today. We met with Dave Ence, Kanarraville city clerk, and he told us where the prepared site is and their preparations and expectations. They have been contacted by NASA and were told to expect upwards of 5,000 people.
For that number they are woefully unprepared. My size estimate of the site is about 10 acres (more or less). We drove the perimeter and it came out to .5 miles. One fourth of that is 1/8th mile or 660 feet. Square that and it comes out mathematically to exactly 10 acres. But remember our size is a rough estimate, sort of like me estimating concrete. (There's a joke in there)
5,000 people would mean 1,500 to 2,000 cars. If you allow 1,000 square feet per car that's space for roughly 435 cars. People with RV's and campers may require extra room.
The people we met in Newcastle didn't have a clue about this event. It is an unincorporated area of Iron County. There were no officials to talk to. The electric station will be closed since it's a Sunday. There will be no facilities open in Newcastle. Yes, it has a better horizon but how much better do you need?
Modena is a virtual ghost town. "No Trespassing" signs on houses and the one business we saw. Not exactly friendly. Also, you are closer to the west mountains. You do not want to go as far as Modena. We were told that at night it can be a scary place.
I think the best bet, if you need facilities is Kanarraville. They will be setting up 31 porta-potties, have water and possibly food vendors. They will also have security and medical help from Iron County.
The problem right now is that Kanarraville will be overwhelmed. They expect a minimum of 5,000 and perhaps as many as 10,000. It doesn't really matter. Anywhere near those number will be a zoo (pronounced "disaster"). In Parowan we also met with the Iron County Clerk and were given a tourist department contact in Cedar City that is working with Dave in Kanarraville. We will be contacting Dave again this week with our impression of the preparations and make some recommendations.
Renting an RV with facilities and going near Newcastle is a real possibility. Does SLAS want to meet as a group or groups? Each to his or her own? What is the group's thinking at this point?
Sig
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