Here is Ms. Shirley's Website. She is now a professional speaker and management consultant. http://www.managingcreativity.com/ Looks like Mr. Spears might have been under Ms. Shirley at JPL, or could have been her replacement. I read her book, "Managing Martians", and can recommend it as a pretty good read for anyone in a management position, especially if you oversee talented people or those with a, shall we say, very high opinion of themselves and their work. Unfortunately my copy was loaned to the former HR manager where I work, and she took it with her into retirement...haven't seen her or the book in years! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com