First Light Image with ASA N8 - M81 and M82 in Ursa Major
Hello all. I managed to get everything to work last night and, despite the poor viewing conditions, I got a few frames with the Astro Systeme Austria N8 astrograph that I have been struggling with in recent weeks. Here is a link to the first light image: M81 and M82 in Ursa Major. I choose them because they were bright enough to show through the high haze that seemed to be everywhere last night. This is a combination of 10 3-minute luminance frames, and 3 each 5-minute RGB frames. The camera is also new to me: it is an older Finger Lakes CM-10, which has the same chip as the SBIG ST10 (KAF-3200XME). The camera is very sensitive, which I really like. but it blooms, which is a real pain! I used a new autoguider from Orion through a Borg 60 guide scope, and the guiding setup seems to work well. Everything in this imaging train is new for me, except the old standby Losmandy G-11 mount, which I have had for years. Here is the link: http://71.18.228.62/images/M81LRGB.jpg Be sure to click on the image to view the full sized version. I am pretty happy with this for a first light image, but I am hoping to get the stars much tighter on a better viewing night. Questions, comments and suggestions are always welcome. Happy New Year!! Tyler _____________________________________________
We need a new vocabulary when describing Tyler's astro pics. "Sensational" just isn't up to it! -- Joe --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Tyler Allred <tylerallred@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Tyler Allred <tylerallred@earthlink.net> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] First Light Image with ASA N8 - M81 and M82 in Ursa Major To: utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 1:56 PM Hello all. I managed to get everything to work last night and, despite the poor viewing conditions, I got a few frames with the Astro Systeme Austria N8 astrograph that I have been struggling with in recent weeks. Here is a link to the first light image: M81 and M82 in Ursa Major. I choose them because they were bright enough to show through the high haze that seemed to be everywhere last night. This is a combination of 10 3-minute luminance frames, and 3 each 5-minute RGB frames. The camera is also new to me: it is an older Finger Lakes CM-10, which has the same chip as the SBIG ST10 (KAF-3200XME). The camera is very sensitive, which I really like. but it blooms, which is a real pain! I used a new autoguider from Orion through a Borg 60 guide scope, and the guiding setup seems to work well. Everything in this imaging train is new for me, except the old standby Losmandy G-11 mount, which I have had for years. Here is the link: http://71.18.228.62/images/M81LRGB.jpg Be sure to click on the image to view the full sized version. I am pretty happy with this for a first light image, but I am hoping to get the stars much tighter on a better viewing night. Questions, comments and suggestions are always welcome. Happy New Year!! Tyler _____________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Tyler, I first looked at your image with my old, 15" CRT monitor. Pretty neat. I just looked again, on my new 24" LCD HD monitor. WOW! I'm now thinking of copying it to a CD so I can look at it on my 50" plasma. That is poster material...and I can print up to 50" wide at work... *;o)* How much processing did you do aside from combining the exposures, and the usual dark/flate frame stuff? Good final color, very natural. Keep up the outstanding work!
What the heck, it's now my wallpaper. You managed to displace the RX-8, no small feat! (for a while...)
Thanks to everyone for all the nice feedback. It takes a lot of effort to get the raw data in winter time. Man! It was cold outside last night. And, my metal chair doesn't help! I really need to get an observatory built, and this spring, it will be my number one priority! Chuck... I didn't use any bias, dark, or flat frames for this one. I don't have good ones for the CM-10 camera yet. When I tried to use my calibration frames from a few weeks back, it really messed up the images. So, I just used the data rejection features in CCDStack to get rid of the hot and cold pixels and the blooms. I really need calibration frames because this camera has some weird illumination issues. I spent most of my processing time trying to get rid of the wicked gradients in the frames. I really didn't do a great job of it, but it will do until I get better calibration data. I probably spent about 1 hour on the processing, or perhaps a bit more. I was surprised at how well the camera picked up the detail despite the short (3min) luminance frames. That 3200XME chip is really amazing from a QE standpoint. It still has about the highest QE on the market. Happy New Year Everyone! Tyler _____________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hards Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 9:42 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] First Light Image with ASA N8 - M81 and M82 inUrsa Major Tyler, I first looked at your image with my old, 15" CRT monitor. Pretty neat. I just looked again, on my new 24" LCD HD monitor. WOW! I'm now thinking of copying it to a CD so I can look at it on my 50" plasma. That is poster material...and I can print up to 50" wide at work... *;o)* How much processing did you do aside from combining the exposures, and the usual dark/flate frame stuff? Good final color, very natural. Keep up the outstanding work! _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Taylor I love your photos and your recent rendition of M81-M82. That particular couplet is one of my son’s and my favorites to try and locate. I made up a series of charts for Messier objects similar to what Brent Watson did (only I made my own charts) but in html format with pictures of each object that I use on my laptop. So, I have searched the web many times for the best photo examples I could find to include with my charts. I also include the Belmont Society examples for small scopes if they have one. Anyway, I just replaced my long time example of M81 – M82 with your photo. I hope it is ok with you. I am not selling my charts or anything. I do use them for teaching aids for my grand kids but that’s about it. The picture I replaced used to be my favorite of M81-M82 until now. I love the delicate pink you achieved for the center portion. The old one I have I can now see is way to yellow/orange-ish. He did achieve a bit more modeling in the arm on the left side as you face the picture that was nice. His orientation was the same as yours. Overall I really like your achievement. Good job. Jim Gibson
It looks like it will be partly cloudy on Sat Jan 3rd possibly messing up the peek of the Quadrantid meteor shower that favors the northern latitudes jg
Tyler's image reminded me that we are currently without a "Gallery". It was such a convenience having everyone's photos on one site and I miss it. Patrick, Rich, put on your administrator's hats and let us know if there is any possibility of a ressurrection of the Gallery. Wasn't there some talk of a similar thing on the same server that hosts the SLAS Website?
Hi Chuck, As it happens you are the second one today to ask about the gallery (the other enquiry was off list). I think it's safe to say the gallery as we knew it is gone for good. However, SLAS members are welcome to send images to the SLAS webmaster and he will post them to the SLAS Picture Gallery (http://slas.us/GALLERY.HTM ). I seem to remember that OAS members have a similar gallery on their site. There is a plan to eventually have the SLAS gallery set up similar to the old UA gallery that will allow SLAS members to bypass the webmaster and post images themselves but I don't know when that is going to come to pass. In the interim some are posting their images on their own personal sites and other have started posting their images to commercial online sites. If someone here has the server space and is willing to set up a new UA gallery please speak up. patrick On 01 Jan 2009, at 20:32, Chuck Hards wrote:
Tyler's image reminded me that we are currently without a "Gallery". It was such a convenience having everyone's photos on one site and I miss it. Patrick, Rich, put on your administrator's hats and let us know if there is any possibility of a ressurrection of the Gallery. Wasn't there some talk of a similar thing on the same server that hosts the SLAS Website?
Thanks, Patrick. The nice thing about the old Gallery was that everyone's astro-related photos were all in one place. The bad thing about image hosting Websites is that, not only do you need a different bookmark for everyone, but chances are good that you'll have to weed through the non-astro stuff that's posted there alongside the "good" stuff. The convenience and utility of the old Gallery were undeniable. What kind of space do you think would be needed for a new one? A TB or so? On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com>wrote:
Hi Chuck,
As it happens you are the second one today to ask about the gallery (the other enquiry was off list).
I think it's safe to say the gallery as we knew it is gone for good.
However, SLAS members are welcome to send images to the SLAS webmaster and he will post them to the SLAS Picture Gallery ( http://slas.us/GALLERY.HTM ).
I seem to remember that OAS members have a similar gallery on their site.
There is a plan to eventually have the SLAS gallery set up similar to the old UA gallery that will allow SLAS members to bypass the webmaster and post images themselves but I don't know when that is going to come to pass.
In the interim some are posting their images on their own personal sites and other have started posting their images to commercial online sites.
If someone here has the server space and is willing to set up a new UA gallery please speak up.
On 02 Jan 2009, at 00:42, Chuck Hards wrote:
The nice thing about the old Gallery was that everyone's astro-related photos were all in one place.
Agreed. I just emailed the SLAS webmaster asking when he might be able to get the gallery up and running.
The convenience and utility of the old Gallery were undeniable. What kind of space do you think would be needed for a new one? A TB or so?
Depends on how much space each person is allowed to use. Please check my math but assuming most people would not post more than maybe 100 images and if each of those was limited to say 500 KB and we had no more than 50 people posting (UA had far fewer) that would come to .25 TB. Any offers of space out there? patrick
Patrick There are 500 GB (.5 TB) drives available for $125.00 at: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148346&CMP=AFC-C8Ju... I have an older computer that is networked to Comcast that is not really doing anything that could be used as a server. It has been reliable for a lot of years but it is showing signs of ageing. It might have something to do with all those World of Warcraft instances my grand kids were running….ok, I might have been in on that too, hehe. I wouldn’t mind dedicating it to something worthwhile. I don’t mind buying a 500 gig hard drive for it, but I would hate to take on a project and then have it go flakey on me. Throw the idea around and see what people want. Jim Gibson --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 1:10 AM On 02 Jan 2009, at 00:42, Chuck Hards wrote:
The nice thing about the old Gallery was that everyone's astro-related photos were all in one place.
Agreed. I just emailed the SLAS webmaster asking when he might be able to get the gallery up and running.
The convenience and utility of the old Gallery were undeniable. What kind of space do you think would be needed for a new one? A TB or so?
Depends on how much space each person is allowed to use. Please check my math but assuming most people would not post more than maybe 100 images and if each of those was limited to say 500 KB and we had no more than 50 people posting (UA had far fewer) that would come to .25 TB. Any offers of space out there? patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
I bought a one-terabyte external hard drive for about $130.00 about a month ago. Mass storage is fairly inexpensive these days, the problem is finding someone that will be willing to have the server available and babysit the device. Thanks Rodger Fry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gibson" <jimgibson00@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) Patrick There are 500 GB (.5 TB) drives available for $125.00 at: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148346&CMP=AFC-C8Ju... I have an older computer that is networked to Comcast that is not really doing anything that could be used as a server. It has been reliable for a lot of years but it is showing signs of ageing. It might have something to do with all those World of Warcraft instances my grand kids were runningÂ….ok, I might have been in on that too, hehe. I wouldnÂ’t mind dedicating it to something worthwhile. I donÂ’t mind buying a 500 gig hard drive for it, but I would hate to take on a project and then have it go flakey on me. Throw the idea around and see what people want. Jim Gibson --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 1:10 AM On 02 Jan 2009, at 00:42, Chuck Hards wrote:
The nice thing about the old Gallery was that everyone's astro-related photos were all in one place.
Agreed. I just emailed the SLAS webmaster asking when he might be able to get the gallery up and running.
The convenience and utility of the old Gallery were undeniable. What kind of space do you think would be needed for a new one? A TB or so?
Depends on how much space each person is allowed to use. Please check my math but assuming most people would not post more than maybe 100 images and if each of those was limited to say 500 KB and we had no more than 50 people posting (UA had far fewer) that would come to .25 TB. Any offers of space out there? patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
That price is so reasonable, I wonder if the club could just shell out something like it? -- Joe --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> wrote: From: Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 9:15 AM I bought a one-terabyte external hard drive for about $130.00 about a month ago. Mass storage is fairly inexpensive these days, the problem is finding someone that will be willing to have the server available and babysit the device. Thanks Rodger Fry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gibson" <jimgibson00@yahoo.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) Patrick There are 500 GB (.5 TB) drives available for $125.00 at: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148346&CMP=AFC-C8Ju... I have an older computer that is networked to Comcast that is not really doing anything that could be used as a server. It has been reliable for a lot of years but it is showing signs of ageing. It might have something to do with all those World of Warcraft instances my grand kids were running….ok, I might have been in on that too, hehe. I wouldn’t mind dedicating it to something worthwhile. I don’t mind buying a 500 gig hard drive for it, but I would hate to take on a project and then have it go flakey on me. Throw the idea around and see what people want. Jim Gibson --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 1:10 AM On 02 Jan 2009, at 00:42, Chuck Hards wrote:
The nice thing about the old Gallery was that everyone's astro-related photos were all in one place.
Agreed. I just emailed the SLAS webmaster asking when he might be able to get the gallery up and running.
The convenience and utility of the old Gallery were undeniable. What kind of space do you think would be needed for a new one? A TB or so?
Depends on how much space each person is allowed to use. Please check my math but assuming most people would not post more than maybe 100 images and if each of those was limited to say 500 KB and we had no more than 50 people posting (UA had far fewer) that would come to .25 TB. Any offers of space out there? patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Hi Joe, On 02 Jan 2009, at 12:06, Joe Bauman wrote:
That price is so reasonable, I wonder if the club could just shell out something like it? -- Joe
Are you talking about U-A taking up a collection of donations? I had not thought of that before. 'Course then we'd need to find someone to physically house the hardware, offer 24/7 access and administrate. Personally I'm leaning more and more to using SLAS's facilities since most of the folks doing imaging here on U-A are SLAS members (even Rob in Hawaii). But first I have to wait to hear from the webmaster to see if he's going to be able to set up the system any time soon (he's an unpaid volunteer). patrick
Rodger beat me to the punch, a TB drive is pretty inexpensive these days. The sticking point is the admin. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> wrote:
I bought a one-terabyte external hard drive for about $130.00 about a month ago. Mass storage is fairly inexpensive these days, the problem is finding someone that will be willing to have the server available and babysit the device.
On 02 Jan 2009, at 12:08, Chuck Hards wrote:
Rodger beat me to the punch, a TB drive is pretty inexpensive these days. The sticking point is the admin.
Ken Warner (SLAS webmaster) is willing to provide the space and set up the system. I'm happy to continue as an administrator. But some may not want to join SLAS in order to be able to post images (although anyone can look at the pictures). patrick
If an interested party has to join SLAS to post images, No problem, that gives them some insentive to become a member. Rodger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Wiggins" <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...)
On 02 Jan 2009, at 12:08, Chuck Hards wrote:
Rodger beat me to the punch, a TB drive is pretty inexpensive these days. The sticking point is the admin.
Ken Warner (SLAS webmaster) is willing to provide the space and set up the system. I'm happy to continue as an administrator. But some may not want to join SLAS in order to be able to post images (although anyone can look at the pictures).
patrick
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Exactly. Image hosting would be a fraction of the doors a SLAS membership opens, for locals at least. On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> wrote:
If an interested party has to join SLAS to post images, No problem, that gives them some insentive to become a member.
I spent some time on the phone with Ken last evening talking about the SLAS website. He's got it updated for 2009 (but everyone's welcome to check it over, http://slas.us , and see if there's anything still needing attention.) He said he's also going to spend time this weekend modifying software for the gallery. Among other things he said he's just ordered an additional 16 TB of storage so, as he put it, "I don't think we're going to run out of space." Still images uploaded to the gallery will probably have an upper size limit and each user will probably have a space quota. Anyone will be able to view all the gallery images but only SLAS members will be able to post images (this because users will have to be able to logon to the site in order to have access and only SLAS members can be allowed to logon). Ken is following the discussion here so feel free to post questions to him if you like. Now if only the weather would improve so folks can start making images for the gallery. Cheers, patrick On 02 Jan 2009, at 15:38, Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Image hosting would be a fraction of the doors a SLAS membership opens, for locals at least.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> wrote:
If an interested party has to join SLAS to post images, No problem, that gives them some insentive to become a member.
Yes, thanks very much for your great help, Ken! -- Joe --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 12:18 AM I spent some time on the phone with Ken last evening talking about the SLAS website. He's got it updated for 2009 (but everyone's welcome to check it over, http://slas.us , and see if there's anything still needing attention.) He said he's also going to spend time this weekend modifying software for the gallery. Among other things he said he's just ordered an additional 16 TB of storage so, as he put it, "I don't think we're going to run out of space." Still images uploaded to the gallery will probably have an upper size limit and each user will probably have a space quota. Anyone will be able to view all the gallery images but only SLAS members will be able to post images (this because users will have to be able to logon to the site in order to have access and only SLAS members can be allowed to logon). Ken is following the discussion here so feel free to post questions to him if you like. Now if only the weather would improve so folks can start making images for the gallery. Cheers, patrick On 02 Jan 2009, at 15:38, Chuck Hards wrote:
Exactly. Image hosting would be a fraction of the doors a SLAS membership opens, for locals at least.
On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Rodger C. Fry <rcfry@comcast.net> wrote:
If an interested party has to join SLAS to post images, No problem, that gives them some insentive to become a member.
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Hi Jim, Thanks for the offer. Very generous. Like you said, let's let the idea float around on UA and see what folks say. patrick On 02 Jan 2009, at 08:59, Jim Gibson wrote:
Patrick There are 500 GB (.5 TB) drives available for $125.00 at: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148346&CMP=AFC-C8Ju...
I have an older computer that is networked to Comcast that is not really doing anything that could be used as a server. It has been reliable for a lot of years but it is showing signs of ageing. It might have something to do with all those World of Warcraft instances my grand kids were running….ok, I might have been in on that too, hehe. I wouldn’t mind dedicating it to something worthwhile.
I don’t mind buying a 500 gig hard drive for it, but I would hate to take on a project and then have it go flakey on me.
Throw the idea around and see what people want.
Jim Gibson
I say, YEAH! -- jb --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote: From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] New gallery (Was: First Light Image...) To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 3:23 PM Hi Jim, Thanks for the offer. Very generous. Like you said, let's let the idea float around on UA and see what folks say. patrick On 02 Jan 2009, at 08:59, Jim Gibson wrote:
Patrick There are 500 GB (.5 TB) drives available for $125.00 at:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148346&CMP=AFC-C8Ju...
I have an older computer that is networked to Comcast that is not really doing anything that could be used as a server. It has been reliable for a lot of years but it is showing signs of ageing. It might have something to do with all those World of Warcraft instances my grand kids were running….ok, I might have been in on that too, hehe. I wouldn’t mind dedicating it to something worthwhile.
I don’t mind buying a 500 gig hard drive for it, but I would hate to take on a project and then have it go flakey on me.
Throw the idea around and see what people want.
Jim Gibson
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This is going to start off sounding off topic, but will end on topic. I hope it is informative and instructive and not just me reminiscing my adolescent years. I am thinking of the group that will be going to Hawaii and particularly to Haleakala. Some words seem abstract like my name Jim. Some words start off abstract until you get a mental picture of them. Haleakala used to be a nice sounding abstract word to me till one morning on Maui when I saw the sun rising over Haleakala or Hale-a-kala. The word Hale means house. In the economy of the Hawaiian language one word can have a lot of meanings. In English if you wanted to translate Domicile, mansion, house, pili grass hut, you would use the word Hale. The ‘a’ pronounced ah is possessive and makes something belong to something else. Like in the Hawaiian state fish Humuhumunukunukuapua’a the ‘a’ there just before Pua’a (pig) makes it possessive to make the word say the trigger fish with a nose of a pig. Kala also has many meanings like god, sun, and money as in Kala hapa lua (dollar and a half). If you were on the western shore of Maui or most any western location as Haleakala dominates the eastern portion of the island and you saw the sun rise you would not think, “The house of money”. You probably would not think, ”The house of god” because in the western mind as in Christianity, Islam and (Eastern) Buddhism the Gods tend to be male but in Hawaii they are definitely women. The most famous of the Hawaiian goddesses is Pale who is associated with fire and she tends to reside on the big island near Kilauea or where ever there is an active volcano. We also tend to think and to say that the sun rises over a mountain, but no. If you saw this little sun coming up in big Haleakala, it definitely came out of the mountain where it resides. When you say Haleakala now, you can have but one picture; The House of the Sun. Jim Gibson
I thought the House of the Rising Sun was in New Orleans? *;o)* Seriously, that's very interesting, Jim, thanks! I can tell that you really miss Hawaii.
Jim Taken from the cultural overview handbook required for all that work on Haleakala "Known in ancient times as Ala Hea Ka La (path to call the sun), the Hawaiian name Haleakala (House of the Sun), is now synonymous with the entire shield of the East Maui volcano. Early Hawaiians, however, applied the name only to the summit area, the site where the demigod Maui snared the sun and forced it to slow its journey across the sky." In the Hawaiian way of thinking, "Haleakala is our ancestor, you never went up to the top without some specific purpose. The remnants of Pele exist in her forms on the summit of Haleakala, so you would never move or take anything away from the summit because that is an encroachment on the realm of Pele, as the physical creator of these islands." This AM 43º 7% humidity winds 32mph http://banana.ifa.hawaii.edu/Weather/current.html Aloha and a hui ho Rob
I was on top of the mountain on one of my trips to Maui a few years ago. It may be named as a House of the Sun, but when we were there, (go to this page on the SLAS Site: http://www.slas.us/gallery/profiles/mikew/1-Haleakala%20Maui%20Sunset.jpg ) the temperature was in the 30's and a cold wind kept bringing in the fog - the antithesis of what one would expect would be the environment for Helios's dwelling. I was so thankful that we had read the travel guides prior to arriving in Hawaii as we were prepared with our parkas, while all the rest of the tourists were hugging their arms to their bodies while shaking all over, trying to keep warm. --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Rob Ratkowski Photography <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: From: Rob Ratkowski Photography <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Haleakala To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:05 AM Jim Taken from the cultural overview handbook required for all that work on Haleakala "Known in ancient times as Ala Hea Ka La (path to call the sun), the Hawaiian name Haleakala (House of the Sun), is now synonymous with the entire shield of the East Maui volcano. Early Hawaiians, however, applied the name only to the summit area, the site where the demigod Maui snared the sun and forced it to slow its journey across the sky." In the Hawaiian way of thinking, "Haleakala is our ancestor, you never went up to the top without some specific purpose. The remnants of Pele exist in her forms on the summit of Haleakala, so you would never move or take anything away from the summit because that is an encroachment on the realm of Pele, as the physical creator of these islands." This AM 43º 7% humidity winds 32mph http://banana.ifa.hawaii.edu/Weather/current.html Aloha and a hui ho Rob _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Many times while up at the summit all night and stopping at Kalahaku Overlook for the sunrise, I'll see visitors in t-shirts and shorts freezing in the cold morning mountain air. My favorite comment overheard is" Why's it so cold ??, this is Hawaii". The other morning w/ the wind, the wind chill was 23ºF cold damp and nasty, not quite what you would expect for a tropical paradise but at 10,023ft Haleakala does get cold, but I really LOVE this place!! Aloha from sunny and warm Maui Rob
I think it is really interesting how people think when they go to places like this. Mt Everest is only 7 deg north of Haleakala. The same people might wonder why it is cold up there as well. I guess going from sea level to 10000 feet must through them off. Dave -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rob Ratkowski Photography Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:10 AM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Haleakala Many times while up at the summit all night and stopping at Kalahaku Overlook for the sunrise, I'll see visitors in t-shirts and shorts freezing in the cold morning mountain air. My favorite comment overheard is" Why's it so cold ??, this is Hawaii". The other morning w/ the wind, the wind chill was 23ºF cold damp and nasty, not quite what you would expect for a tropical paradise but at 10,023ft Haleakala does get cold, but I really LOVE this place!! Aloha from sunny and warm Maui Rob _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Chuck you kill me man. I am still laughing over your rendition of Haleakala. Rob thanks for that review. I remember studying that stuff in the 9th grade when we had Hawaiian history. When you mentioned not taking anything it remined me of all the different forms of kapu I could think of. And M Wilson I agree with you. After spending most of my life of the beach, I froze my okoli off up there. ;|) jg
Is okoli the same word I remember from the song "Ol' King Cole"? -- Joe --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Jim Gibson <jimgibson00@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jim Gibson <jimgibson00@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Haleakala To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:24 AM Chuck you kill me man. I am still laughing over your rendition of Haleakala. Rob thanks for that review. I remember studying that stuff in the 9th grade when we had Hawaiian history. When you mentioned not taking anything it remined me of all the different forms of kapu I could think of. And M Wilson I agree with you. After spending most of my life of the beach, I froze my okoli off up there. ;|) jg _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Jim and Rob, If you don't recall the "Ol' King Cole" verse, do you remember the verse that starts, "I took my baby on a surfboard ride"? Oh, well. -- Joe --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Haleakala To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:57 AM Is okoli the same word I remember from the song "Ol' King Cole"? -- Joe --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Jim Gibson <jimgibson00@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jim Gibson <jimgibson00@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Haleakala To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:24 AM Chuck you kill me man. I am still laughing over your rendition of Haleakala. Rob thanks for that review. I remember studying that stuff in the 9th grade when we had Hawaiian history. When you mentioned not taking anything it remined me of all the different forms of kapu I could think of. And M Wilson I agree with you. After spending most of my life of the beach, I froze my okoli off up there. ;|) jg _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Hi Joe don't know the song but okole is the body part you sit on Having a nice warm day here Rob
Well, I figured it was something like that. Thanks, Joe --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Rob Ratkowski Photography <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: From: Rob Ratkowski Photography <ratkwski@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Haleakala To: "Utah Astronomy" <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 7:24 PM Hi Joe don't know the song but okole is the body part you sit on Having a nice warm day here Rob _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://gallery.utahastronomy.com Visit the Wiki: http://www.utahastronomy.com
Back in '83 I was leading an eclipse group to Indonesia and we stopped in Hawaii en route. Part of the itinerary had us driving up Mauna Kea. At the summit as we walked from observatory to observatory we found ourselves being snowed on. Once safely inside one of the buildings one of our party remarked "Why couldn't we have gone to someplace warm like Hawaii?". :) patrick On 05 Jan 2009, at 10:40, M Wilson wrote:
I was on top of the mountain on one of my trips to Maui a few years ago. It may be named as a House of the Sun, but when we were there, (go to this page on the SLAS Site: http://www.slas.us/gallery/profiles/mikew/1-Haleakala%20Maui%20Sunset.jpg ) the temperature was in the 30's and a cold wind kept bringing in the fog - the antithesis of what one would expect would be the environment for Helios's dwelling.
I was so thankful that we had read the travel guides prior to arriving in Hawaii as we were prepared with our parkas, while all the rest of the tourists were hugging their arms to their bodies while shaking all over, trying to keep warm.
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