Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/ patrick
Ouch. ________________________________ From: Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve <utah-astronomy@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:33 PM Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/ patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
You sure like opening a can of worms don't you? Lol -Barrett -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:34 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/ patrick _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
Well in Cameron's logic, he should have to prove there is a Heaven and a "He-double toothpicks". Cameron offers less proof than Hawking. Hawking is saying he does not believe in Heaven but a soul can be defined in many ways.
Who you do you believe a noted physicist or an actor? The actor saying life just "appeared on earth" or the Hawking saying there were precursors to life on earth and the creation of the known universe. It is in its root, the Creation vs Evolution debate. Science or Fantasy? You sure like opening a can of worms don't you? Lol
-Barrett
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Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/
patrick
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I just saw this quote on a friend on Facebook and thought it was funny, and fit in with this topic. No offense intended to anyone! "Christianity - The belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. " Julie On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well in Cameron's logic, he should have to prove there is a Heaven and a "He-double toothpicks". Cameron offers less proof than Hawking. Hawking is saying he does not believe in Heaven but a soul can be defined in many ways.
Who you do you believe a noted physicist or an actor? The actor saying life just "appeared on earth" or the Hawking saying there were precursors to life on earth and the creation of the known universe. It is in its root, the Creation vs Evolution debate. Science or Fantasy?
You sure like opening a can of worms don't you? Lol
-Barrett
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:34 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/
patrick
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I’ve never understood the distinction between the myths and superstitions of Bronze-Age, Jewish pastoralists and those of Hellenistic Greeks in terms of believability. YHWH seems to get pissed-off more frequently. A difference for sure, but hardly a motivation for worship. Maybe Nick Bostrom is correct. We’re living in a simulation. It’s as good an explanation as any for the weird things people believe. In the simulation some were programmed to believe weird things, some were not. Both are wrong. On May 19, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Julie Clyde wrote:
I just saw this quote on a friend on Facebook and thought it was funny, and fit in with this topic. No offense intended to anyone!
"Christianity - The belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. "
Julie
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well in Cameron's logic, he should have to prove there is a Heaven and a "He-double toothpicks". Cameron offers less proof than Hawking. Hawking is saying he does not believe in Heaven but a soul can be defined in many ways.
Who you do you believe a noted physicist or an actor? The actor saying life just "appeared on earth" or the Hawking saying there were precursors to life on earth and the creation of the known universe. It is in its root, the Creation vs Evolution debate. Science or Fantasy?
You sure like opening a can of worms don't you? Lol
-Barrett
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:34 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/
patrick
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I just joined this astronomy list serv, so let's see if I can stay on topic: "Professor Hawking is heralded as 'the genius of Britain,' yet he believes in the scientific impossibility that nothing created everything and that life sprang from non-life," Cameron said. "Mommy, where did I come from?" asked the little girl. "You spontaneously self-assembled in an environment of large available genetic and potential energy that your father and I formed," answered the mother. Cameron incorrectly assumes that life springing from non-life is a scientific impossibility. In fact, science is several steps ahead of "possible", already in the "exploiting to improve our lives" stage. The distinction between life and non-life is only one of many useful arbitrary points of view of material. Another point of view is to realize the way in which all material is the same, transcending the life / non-life distinction. This point of view allows development in many areas, i.e.:
From Wikipedia's article on biomaterials: "Molecular self-assembly is found widely in biological systems and provides the basis of a wide variety of complex biological structures. This includes an emerging class of mechanically superior biomaterials based on microstructural features and designs found in nature. Thus, self-assembly is also emerging as a new strategy in chemical synthesis and nanotechnology. Molecular crystals, liquid crystals, colloids, micelles, emulsions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emulsions>, phase-separated polymers, thin films and self-assembled monolayers all represent examples of the types of highly ordered structures which are obtained using these techniques. T*he distinguishing feature of these methods is self-organization.*"
Ian Glenn On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Dave Gary <davegary@me.com> wrote:
I’ve never understood the distinction between the myths and superstitions of Bronze-Age, Jewish pastoralists and those of Hellenistic Greeks in terms of believability. YHWH seems to get pissed-off more frequently. A difference for sure, but hardly a motivation for worship. Maybe Nick Bostrom is correct. We’re living in a simulation. It’s as good an explanation as any for the weird things people believe. In the simulation some were programmed to believe weird things, some were not. Both are wrong.
On May 19, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Julie Clyde wrote:
I just saw this quote on a friend on Facebook and thought it was funny, and fit in with this topic. No offense intended to anyone!
"Christianity - The belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. "
Julie
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well in Cameron's logic, he should have to prove there is a Heaven and a "He-double toothpicks". Cameron offers less proof than Hawking. Hawking is saying he does not believe in Heaven but a soul can be defined in many ways.
Who you do you believe a noted physicist or an actor? The actor saying life just "appeared on earth" or the Hawking saying there were precursors to life on earth and the creation of the known universe. It is in its root, the Creation vs Evolution debate. Science or Fantasy?
You sure like opening a can of worms don't you? Lol
-Barrett
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:34 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/
patrick
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Who started this heavenly thread????? Nobody can offer proof either way about God. Not Hawking, Not Einstein, Not any religious leader. Each of us including Hawking believes what we decide to believe. Belief--Unbelief--Faith is a Decision. After that, all of Hawking's, Dave Gary's or anyone's pronouncements, arguments are only reasons for their initial decision to believe. With all of his intelligence, Hawking has offered not any "evidence" at all either way. All of the smartest people in the world would not change truth, regardless how intense their belief was, even if they all voted on it. God either reveals Himself, or He remains forever unknown. Until He provides proof, nobody can provide it either way. There is a passage, however, in the Old Testament, Isaiah, which does plainly speak of a future time when "The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God." (Isa 52:10) If Isaiah is right, then God will someday reveal Himself, and all of the Hawkings on this earth will then "see." Spencer Ball -----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Gary Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 3:40 PM To: Utah Astronomy Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate I've never understood the distinction between the myths and superstitions of Bronze-Age, Jewish pastoralists and those of Hellenistic Greeks in terms of believability. YHWH seems to get pissed-off more frequently. A difference for sure, but hardly a motivation for worship. Maybe Nick Bostrom is correct. We're living in a simulation. It's as good an explanation as any for the weird things people believe. In the simulation some were programmed to believe weird things, some were not. Both are wrong. On May 19, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Julie Clyde wrote:
I just saw this quote on a friend on Facebook and thought it was funny, and fit in with this topic. No offense intended to anyone!
"Christianity - The belief that some cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. "
Julie
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 2:36 PM, <erikhansen@thebluezone.net> wrote:
Well in Cameron's logic, he should have to prove there is a Heaven and a "He-double toothpicks". Cameron offers less proof than Hawking. Hawking is saying he does not believe in Heaven but a soul can be defined in many ways.
Who you do you believe a noted physicist or an actor? The actor saying life just "appeared on earth" or the Hawking saying there were precursors to life on earth and the creation of the known universe. It is in its root, the Creation vs Evolution debate. Science or Fantasy?
You sure like opening a can of worms don't you? Lol
-Barrett
-----Original Message----- From: utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:utah-astronomy-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wiggins Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 12:34 PM To: utah astronomy utah astronomy listserve Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
Stephen Hawking vs. Kirk Cameron: A heavenly debate
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700136489/
patrick
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Today's the big day! On 19 May 2011, at 16:51, Spencer Ball wrote:
Who started this heavenly thread?????
That would be me. :) So I guess I'll add a related item I just heard on BBC about rapture insurance: http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com And by happy coincidence the end of the world just happens to coincide with International Learn to Fly Day (http://www.learntofly.org) so I'm looking to take someone up this afternoon who has never flown in a small plane before. Taking off from SLC International about 4:00 pm. Anyone care to come along and watch the world end from above? Cheers, patrick :)
I'm going to drape some old clothing around the wheel of my truck and park it at the grocery store. Dan On May 21, 2011, at 12:13 AM, Patrick Wiggins <paw@wirelessbeehive.com> wrote:
Today's the big day!
On 19 May 2011, at 16:51, Spencer Ball wrote:
Who started this heavenly thread?????
That would be me. :)
So I guess I'll add a related item I just heard on BBC about rapture insurance:
http://eternal-earthbound-pets.com
And by happy coincidence the end of the world just happens to coincide with International Learn to Fly Day (http://www.learntofly.org) so I'm looking to take someone up this afternoon who has never flown in a small plane before. Taking off from SLC International about 4:00 pm. Anyone care to come along and watch the world end from above?
Cheers,
patrick :) _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy@mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.slas.us/gallery2/main.php
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